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Old 02-29-2012, 03:46 PM   #31
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I say we offer them our 1st, 2nd, John Beck, Kevin Barnes, Tyler Polumbus, Six Johnny Rockets franchises, Sam Huff...and call it a day
I actually read, a long time ago, that the possibility of us offering them cash as part of the trade. I'm not even sure if this is legal in the NFL; or where I read it... but that could be interesting too.
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Old 02-29-2012, 03:49 PM   #32
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I actually read, a long time ago, that the possibility of us offering them cash as part of the trade. I'm not even sure if this is legal in the NFL; or where I read it... but that could be interesting too.
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Old 02-29-2012, 03:52 PM   #33
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I actually read, a long time ago, that the possibility of us offering them cash as part of the trade. I'm not even sure if this is legal in the NFL; or where I read it... but that could be interesting too.
I think you can only trade picks, players, and coaches. Cash is only the NBA (and maybe MLB too).
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Old 02-29-2012, 03:59 PM   #34
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It's not what the 2nd pick is worth. It's more a question of how much would you pay for a talent like RGIII at the QB position. Argueably with a legit QB last year we could have taken the east and got into the playoffs.

I am hoping that the Redskins pay the price- what ever it takes to get their guy. I think its time to invest in a blue chip pospect at the QB position to groom into their system. Our version of a McNabb or Peyton that can last in the role for 10+ years. No more settling for second rate.
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Old 02-29-2012, 04:06 PM   #35
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SBXVII, you just hate RGIII don't you? The way you just described him you would think he's John Beck.
Ok, what vehicle would you have prefered I use? I love Camaro's over Corvette's. I had a Camaro. but if your a Ford person I'm sorry. I'll change it up for you...

Ok, it's like trying to buy a Mustang at a Ford GT price, with the same faults.

You don't like either Chevy or Ford? Ok I'll try again....

I'm sorry Dodge just sucks I can't.

How about a Farrari? Since some of you want to associate him with a really expensive sports car....

Your trying to purchase a Farrari and the guy selling it wants Lamborghini type money. ... with all those issue's with the car.
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Old 02-29-2012, 04:08 PM   #36
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SBXVII, you just hate RGIII don't you? The way you just described him you would think he's John Beck.
My problem is not that I ..."hate" RGIII, it's that I don't think any player is worth the picks.

I'll agree with one thing as someone else has said... I think everyone is soo sick and tired that they just want the team to spend whatever it takes to get a top quality QB.

To say it has to be RGIII would be biased. but some people are biased.
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Old 02-29-2012, 04:12 PM   #37
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The media likes to blur the distinction between moving up X number of spots vs. moving up X number of spots to acquire the 1st over all.

I don't think the Chargers-Giants trade is the actual bench mark because they traded up to the 1st overall spot.
I do think that because of who Andrew Luck is, the second pick is being treated more like the first pick than like a traditional second pick.

I happen to think the Eli Manning deal would be "fair" for RG3. Of course, you're gambling on Tannehill either 1) not being there at no. 6 or 2) not being much of a quarterback if you pull the trigger on RG3.
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Old 02-29-2012, 04:15 PM   #38
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What is the 2nd overall pick worth?
An arm and a leg.
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Old 02-29-2012, 04:15 PM   #39
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What is the 2nd overall pick worth?
An arm and a leg.
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If you value RG3 as the first overall pick in a normal draft (available at 2nd overall b/c only of Andrew Luck), then he's worth the 6th pick, the 2013 first round pick, a 4th rounder in 2012, and one of the team's two 6th round picks in 2012.

Which is just a bit less than the price established in the Eli Manning trade.
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If you value RG3 as the first overall pick in a normal draft (available at 2nd overall b/c only of Andrew Luck), then he's worth the 6th pick, the 2013 first round pick, a 4th rounder in 2012, and one of the team's two 6th round picks in 2012.

Which is just a bit less than the price established in the Eli Manning trade.
I agree...unless the Rams say no. Then...I buckle and give them what they want
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I agree...unless the Rams say no. Then...I buckle and give them what they want
It's not like they have an alternative to that deal. I suppose they always could suck it up and take Matt Kalil at no. 2. Then we just trade with the Vikings.

Whatever leverage the Rams have here, they are going to need to create for themselves.
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It's not like they have an alternative to that deal. I suppose they always could suck it up and take Matt Kalil at no. 2. Then we just trade with the Vikings.

Whatever leverage the Rams have here, they are going to need to create for themselves.
thats why i think the rams with try to play the 3 teams linked or some other unknown team trying to trading for the #2 pick against each other right now to drive up the price. i also believe they will want to get a trade down before the draft so they are guaranteed to get something for the #2 pick, because they could run the risk of teams not dealing with them anymore and going to the vikings.
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It's not like they have an alternative to that deal. I suppose they always could suck it up and take Matt Kalil at no. 2. Then we just trade with the Vikings.

Whatever leverage the Rams have here, they are going to need to create for themselves.
Everything you say makes sense in theory but the Redskins don't really have the luxury to call someones bluff and be wrong. If this was year #1 for Shanny & Allen I would agree with you, but they are going into year #3 and MUST not get left out of the QB carousel. They can't afford to be sitting in Redskins park on April 28th going oh shucks I guess the Rams were serious about needing another pick to close this deal. I think the one thing that we are pretty sure of the last week is that RG3 is their #1 QB option. Isn't it about time they stop settling?
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Everything you say makes sense in theory but the Redskins don't really have the luxury to call someones bluff and be wrong.
Sure they can.

I mean, you're right if the lose out as a result of recklessness instead of something more organic. I don't think any player is so important you absolutely can't win without him.

I mean, Stephen Bowen probably isn't as good of a player as Cullen Jenkins, but that's a bluff the Redskins called. Now instead of paying too much for Jenkins, we're paying too much for Bowen. The need was still filled though.

If they're going to gamble on the RG3 compensation, they'll almost certainly do it with Tannehill as a fallback plan. And the Rams will be well aware of that, as they'll have far more to lose than the Redskins do.

The Redskins are probably out of chances to get it wrong, but it's not like RG3 comes with a guarantee of success. The Redskins could win on draft day and lose during the season. Or they could call a bluff, lose on draft day, and improve a lot and win during the season. The offseason championship is only loosely correlated with the NFC East championship.
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