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Old 03-10-2012, 02:31 PM   #481
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Here's what I'll say: if a quarterback of Robert Griffin's stature was this important to the success of the Washington Redskins under Mike Shanahan, then they should never have made the McNabb deal. They should have been willing to take their 2011 and 2012 1st rounders along with the 2010 second that went for McNabb and traded it to whomever for the quarterback they really wanted.

I realize Griffin is probably a better prospect then anyone they could have had in 2010, certainly better than Sam Bradford was in that draft, but they shouldn't have been worried about trading up for Bradford. They should have went out and got Rodgers or Flacco or Ryan or Roethlisberger (since he was on the trade block at the time) or Eli or Schaub or Palmer and frankly just admitted that they were incapable of winning without such a player.

There was no reason to waste two years waiting for the perfect prospect if you were just going to pay whatever it took to get him and ignore all historical context for the market anyway. Given what we know now, that was a brutal waste of two years.

Better late than never, I suppose, and Griffin is about as good as pro prospects get at this position. But it's hard to see this as anything but a huge admission of poor planning by the Shanahans who feel it's totally cool to spend draft picks which they are contractually obligated to use to build this team, though they were/are unlikely to actually be around when the picks will actually be made.
Or you could say they were smart enough to wait it out and go all in on someone they really believed in. If they just wanted any young QB they would surely have had one by now. Lots of different ways to look at things...
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Old 03-10-2012, 02:38 PM   #482
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Here's what I'll say: if a quarterback of Robert Griffin's stature was this important to the success of the Washington Redskins under Mike Shanahan, then they should never have made the McNabb deal. They should have been willing to take their 2011 and 2012 1st rounders along with the 2010 second that went for McNabb and traded it to whomever for the quarterback they really wanted.

I realize Griffin is probably a better prospect then anyone they could have had in 2010, certainly better than Sam Bradford was in that draft, but they shouldn't have been worried about trading up for Bradford. They should have went out and got Rodgers or Flacco or Ryan or Roethlisberger (since he was on the trade block at the time) or Eli or Schaub or Palmer and frankly just admitted that they were incapable of winning without such a player.

There was no reason to waste two years waiting for the perfect prospect if you were just going to pay whatever it took to get him and ignore all historical context for the market anyway. Given what we know now, that was a brutal waste of two years.

Better late than never, I suppose, and Griffin is about as good as pro prospects get at this position. But it's hard to see this as anything but a huge admission of poor planning by the Shanahans who feel it's totally cool to spend draft picks which they are contractually obligated to use to build this team, though they were/are unlikely to actually be around when the picks will actually be made.
I've said it numerous times the last two years, Mike's performance as a legacy, 2nd time around coach, has been remarkably poor. He absolutely did not have a plan, but more importantly IMO his game-day performance has been mostly abysmal in terms of tempo, clock-management, play-calling and overall preparation. In short, Mike and Kyle have to outperform their last two seasons by a significant margin to make this trade worthwhile.
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Or you could say they were smart enough to wait it out and go all in on someone they really believed in. If they just wanted any young QB they would surely have had one by now. Lots of different ways to look at things...
Especially in hindsight.
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Just in case anyone hasn't brought this up. I woulda prefered Bradford for two firsts two years ago (woulda had 2 more picks from not getting McNabb). Rams woulda done it.
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Given what we know now, that was a brutal waste of two years.

Better late than never, I suppose, and Griffin is about as good as pro prospects get at this position. But it's hard to see this as anything but a huge admission of poor planning by the Shanahans who feel it's totally cool to spend draft picks which they are contractually obligated to use to build this team, though they were/are unlikely to actually be around when the picks will actually be made.
I agree that this move was an admission of fault, but its also very shrewd from a darwinian standpoint.

Completely independent of the on the field play, landing Griffin is one of the few ways this staff increases the chances that they'll be around in 2-3 years.
Drafting a potential 'franchise' QB that the fanbase and city can get behind buys the staff some leeway they may have lost with their previous mistakes.

It affords them the kind of leeway that can look past whatever struggles may/may not occur this season and chalk them up to growing pains of grooming a 'franchise' QB.

I agree that this move was costly though.
It reeks of self inflicted desperation and it highlights the schizophrenic pitfals that occur when your HC is really your GM.
At first blush this draft seems like a complete departure from last year.
But in context of their tenure here its actually in keeping with their m/o and displays their willingness to give up high draft picks.


And at the end of the day although I wish the cost was less, I love Griffin.
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I agree that this move was an admission of fault, but its also very shrewd from a darwinian standpoint.

Completely independent of the on the field play, landing Griffin is one of the few ways this staff increases the chances that they'll be around in 2-3 years.
Drafting a potential 'franchise' QB that the fanbase and city can get behind buys the staff some leeway they may have lost with their previous mistakes.

It affords them the kind of leeway that can look past whatever struggles may/may not occur this season and chalk them up to growing pains of grooming a 'franchise' QB.

I agree that this move was costly though.
It reeks of self inflicted desperation and it highlights the schizophrenic pitfals that occur when your HC is really your GM.
At first blush this draft seems like a complete departure from last year.
But in context of their tenure here its actually in keeping with their m/o and displays their willingness to give up high draft picks.


And at the end of the day although I wish the cost was less, I love Griffin.
I agree with everything you wrote here, including the bottom line.

This is precisely why we all needed to step back and take a wait and see approach to determine the context of the 2011 draft. Before you can claim that they've committed to a new way of doing things, it makes sense to wait around to see if, you know, they are actually committed to a new way of doing things.

Ultimately, the Shanahans fell lock-step in line with the Vinny Cerrato line of thinking of: I'm going to get fired unless I get a new quarterback (new, as opposed to better). Only difference was that Vinny poked around some really lackluster prospects and didn't do anything, and Shanahan waited as long as he could then overbet the market by about 30%.
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Just in case anyone hasn't brought this up. I woulda prefered Bradford for two firsts two years ago (woulda had 2 more picks from not getting McNabb). Rams woulda done it.
I wanted Bradford at the time also but by most accounts the Redskins still tried hard to get Bradford even after the McNabb trade and the Rams wouldn't budge.
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I think these are going to be our picks next year (2013):

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To be completely fair in putting criticism where criticism is due, Rex Ryan and Mike Tannenbaum essentially tried to push a deal where they're locking the Jets into the current plan for the 2013 season as well. Would have been too easy to fire both, get rid of Sanchez, Holmes, etc at the end of this upcoming season if the Jets struggled. Now with Sanchez locked in as Jets starter for at least 32 more games, you almost can't replace Ryan/Tannenbaum after this season (except internally, of course).
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I'll say this. The Redskins are great at getting the fans excited during the off season.
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please god do not let him turn into heath shuler
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I'll say this. The Redskins are great at getting the fans excited during the off season.
Who was excited last offseason with Rex and Beck as our QB option?
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please god do not let him turn into heath shuler
I said the same thing earlier today! Always thought Shuler would be great, he was quite an athlete.
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