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Old 03-21-2012, 11:25 PM   #151
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It was just a pro day, I don't know how you can determine that from throwing in shorts and T-shirts. John Beck looked good in this system in the preseason in shorts and T-shirts.
Sorry but Beck has never looked anything close to RGIII.
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Old 03-21-2012, 11:29 PM   #152
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I was worried about the Colts taking RG3 but if the sentaments are the same from the ownership then I think we are fine....

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The reasons they stated are exactly why RG3 is the fans choice in this draft process. Think about what we're dealing with. Throwing the ball in shorts and running 40's. Basically a huge focus on physical tools and all this before Luck has thrown a single pass for scouts.

Scouts are watching tape and seeing Luck make adjustments at the line of scrimmage and find his third receiver on multiple occasions. The 70%+ completion percentage in a pro style offense also holds more weight then one in a spread system among many other factors.

See I hate this, this makes me sound like I'm anti RG3 and/or that Griffin is all physical tools while Luck is all mental tools. They're both extremely smart and amazing athletes. You don't loose in getting one of these QB's.

However right now there are way to many people, at least around Redskin nation, that don't appreciate the type of prospect Luck is.
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Old 03-21-2012, 11:29 PM   #153
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Did Terrence Ganaway participate? How did he do? I love that guy!!
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Old 03-21-2012, 11:33 PM   #154
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Did Terrence Ganaway participate? How did he do? I love that guy!!
He ran a 4.46 I believe. Thats pretty impressive for a 241 pound hb. He also showed his ability to catch the ball.
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Old 03-21-2012, 11:37 PM   #155
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He ran a 4.46 I believe. Thats pretty impressive for a 241 pound hb. He also showed his ability to catch the ball.
They should target him instead of Hightower.
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The reasons they stated are exactly why RG3 is the fans choice in this draft process. Think about what we're dealing with. Throwing the ball in shorts and running 40's. Basically a huge focus on physical tools and all this before Luck has thrown a single pass for scouts.

Scouts are watching tape and seeing Luck make adjustments at the line of scrimmage and find his third receiver on multiple occasions. The 70%+ completion percentage in a pro style offense also holds more weight then one in a spread system among many other factors.

See I hate this, this makes me sound like I'm anti RG3 and/or that Griffin is all physical tools while Luck is all mental tools. They're both extremely smart and amazing athletes. You don't loose in getting one of these QB's.

However right now there are way to many people, at least around Redskin nation, that don't appreciate the type of prospect Luck is.
Excellent post. I think part of the problem is that everyone has assumed for months that luck was the undisputed #1 pick and now all the media talks about is griffin. I think a lot of fans and pundits are just caught in the rg3 hype because he's the bigger story. I hate the comparison but luck is like manning and rg3 is like a better Michael Vick. Both are excellent qbs. One is better, but the other is more exciting.

I'd be thrilled with either. Luck is safer, but rg3s upside is almost limitless.
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Excellent post. I think part of the problem is that everyone has assumed for months that luck was the undisputed #1 pick and now all the media talks about is griffin. I think a lot of fans and pundits are just caught in the rg3 hype because he's the bigger story. I hate the comparison but luck is like manning and rg3 is like a better Michael Vick. Both are excellent qbs. One is better, but the other is more exciting.

I'd be thrilled with either. Luck is safer, but rg3s upside is almost limitless.
Most say luck is safer.. why.? It's not like RG3 has any red flags
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Most say luck is safer.. why.? It's not like RG3 has any red flags
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Who was better Magic or Bird? I say why compare the two -- they are both great. I think RG3's skill set would serve the skins better while Luck's skill set would serve the colts better. I think the people who are sleeping on RG3 underestimate his decision making ability and those who sleep on Luck underestimate his athleticism. I think both qb's would thrive in skins' system next year.
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Most say luck is safer.. why.? It's not like RG3 has any red flags
Because he's just as good, has played in a pro style offense, has proven that he can play and is also very smart and athletic. Think of him as a Tom Brady that can run, can run people over, makes quick decisions, etc. I've watched the guy play around for a few years here and believe me he's as good as advertised. I prefer Luck I'm more familiar with him, but would not be one bit upset if RGIII is our QB.
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RG3 over Luck is the evaluation that tape guys give you when they look at two game tapes for each from this year and conclude that they see more difficult throws out of Griffin than Luck. Like that means something.

I mean, guys like Merril Hoge and Greg Cosell aren't just making stuff up/have no idea what they're talking about, but when you use less than 5% of the information available to you, I treat your opinion like you ignored 95% of the relevant information. Sometimes people who are highly qualified to give an informed opinion are a lot less qualified to make a direct conclusion.
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RG3 over Luck is the evaluation that tape guys give you when they look at two game tapes for each from this year and conclude that they see more difficult throws out of Griffin than Luck. Like that means something.

I mean, guys like Merril Hoge and Greg Cosell aren't just making stuff up/have no idea what they're talking about, but when you use less than 5% of the information available to you, I treat your opinion like you ignored 95% of the relevant information. Sometimes people who are highly qualified to give an informed opinion are a lot less qualified to make a direct conclusion.
Don't get me wrong, I'm no fan of Merril Hoge, but apparently he watched 120 hours of film of RGIII and Luck. So say he split it 50/50. I find it hard to believe that 60 hours of RGIII only represents 5% of the info available of him.
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Most say luck is safer.. why.? It's not like RG3 has any red flags
Success in a pro style offense (70%+ completion percentage last two seasons along with given the responsibility to make audibles at the line of scrimmage) combined with his ideal physical makeup for the position. Luck was also coached by Harbaugh so theres that.

RG3 comes from a spread system. Harder to figure out if numbers are more a product of ability or system. He has slightly better physical tools then Luck but he still comes form a gimmicky offense which makes him harder to project at the next level.

Scouts Inc's report might shed some light on this issue.

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Baylor's offense does not translate to the NFL game. Has a lot to learn about identifying coverages and hot reads. Had very simple reads, and there is very little tape of him checking from one side of the field to the other.
The arm strength and 40 times wow fans. The stuff I posted above is the most important criteria among scouts and it's hard to quantify that through the combie fueled pre-draft process.

Also in regards to why Luck is safer, keep in mind Luck has never torn an ACL or left a game with concussion like symptoms. His only medical red flag was a broken finger that kept him out of the Sun Bowl against Oklahoma in 2009.

Both QB's have elite physical skill sets. However Luck has proven he's capable of running a pro style offense at the highest level (audibles, pre snap reads, looking off safeties, going through progressions, etc). Griffin is certainly more than capable of learning and eventually running a pro style offense but there's no tape of him doing it in college. Hence the difference between Luck being the "safe" pick and RG3 being the prospect with all the "upside."

Personally if you ask me they're both safe picks, Luck is just a little safer given his medical and experience in a pro style offense.
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Don't get me wrong, I'm no fan of Merril Hoge, but apparently he watched 120 hours of film of RGIII and Luck. So say he split it 50/50. I find it hard to believe that 60 hours of RGIII only represents 5% of the info available of him.
Point wasn't the number of hours invested in it (I haven't kept track of what I've spent on studying those two guys), but the fact that if you use just one medium (in this case, game tape), you only ever see a percentage of the relevant skills.
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Old 03-22-2012, 03:36 AM   #165
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so i see alot of comparison between rg3 and vick. but how would you guys rate him agianst some of the younger quarterbacks in the league? like matt ryan, sam bradford, matt stafford or cam newton?
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