Warpath  

Home | Forums | Salary Cap Info | Shop | Donate | Stay Connected




Go Back   Warpath > Redskins Forums > Redskins Locker Room > NFL Draft Central


The Pro Days Thread

NFL Draft Central


Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 03-22-2012, 11:57 AM   #181
Playmaker
 
freddyg12's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Posts: 4,540
Re: The Pro Days Thread

Quote:
Originally Posted by FRPLG View Post
Most everything I have found dismisses the comparisons to Vick. He's at a better place in his development than Vick was at this point. I get uncomfortable with the comparison because I think it has more to do with the fact that they're both African-American than anything. It's a lazy parallel to draw.
Well put, but something they do have in common is the deep ball. That was Vick's best pass at VT & sounds like it is for RGIII as well. I don't know enough about RGIII's accuracy in a variety of routes, but Vick needed quite a bit of fine tuning on some intermediate routes when he was drafted.

Plus, RGIII is sooo much smarter & much more comfortable w/the public attention & press. That's a big deal in these times & I think is often why some players, especially QBs, fail. See Ryan Leaf.
freddyg12 is offline   Reply With Quote

Advertisements
Old 03-22-2012, 11:58 AM   #182
Registered User
 
BigHairedAristocrat's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Posts: 3,917
Re: The Pro Days Thread

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mattyk View Post
RG3 is far superior as a passer than Vick ever was or ever will be. I agree, it's a lazy comparison. Not fair to RG3 at all.
I called griffin a better Michael Vick with the disclaimer that I hated the comparison. In every respect, griffin is superior. However, you can't hate on the comparison too much because Vick is the closest thing to griffin that has ever been in the league. That's why I honestly prefer griffin to luck. A player with his athleticism, passing accuracy, intelligence, and leadership has never played the position. Never. Vick caused enormous problems for defenses because if his ability to make plays with his feet... And he wasn't as much of a passing theat. Imagine the problems griffin would create. He could be nearly unstoppable.

Luck is great, but he can be stopped with a tradition defense as long as players do their job. Griffin is going to require a lot of exotic defensive schemes. I he meets his potential, the only way defenses will be able to stop him is if he makes a mistake.
BigHairedAristocrat is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-22-2012, 12:01 PM   #183
‎\m/
 
Mattyk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Age: 42
Posts: 83,420
Re: The Pro Days Thread

I know we've all got RG3 fever, but I think alot of people continue to underestimate Luck's athleticism. He can get out of the pocket and make things happen too. He's not just a pocket guy.
__________________
Support The Warpath! | Warpath Shop
Mattyk is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-22-2012, 12:06 PM   #184
The Starter
 
mbedner3420's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Posts: 1,842
Re: The Pro Days Thread

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mattyk View Post
I know we've all got RG3 fever, but I think alot of people continue to underestimate Luck's athleticism. He can get out of the pocket and make things happen too. He's not just a pocket guy.
Didn't he run the same 40 time as Cam Newton? That is some serious athleticism for a guy his size.
mbedner3420 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-22-2012, 12:15 PM   #185
Uncle Phil
 
SmootSmack's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Posts: 44,963
Re: The Pro Days Thread

Quote:
Originally Posted by ArtMonkDrillz View Post
Random question that may be in the wrong thread/may have already been asked.

If the Colts decide they want Luck and are able to ink him to a contract before the draft, and the Skins allowed to start negotiating with RGIII right away?
From what I recall, no. Either way the Colts aren't going to rush to sign their pick and neither will the Redskins. Not as much pressure as in previous years
__________________
You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You
SmootSmack is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-22-2012, 12:24 PM   #186
Gamebreaker
 
Chico23231's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Richmond, VA
Age: 37
Posts: 12,574
Re: The Pro Days Thread

Quote:
Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat View Post
I called griffin a better Michael Vick with the disclaimer that I hated the comparison. In every respect, griffin is superior. However, you can't hate on the comparison too much because Vick is the closest thing to griffin that has ever been in the league. That's why I honestly prefer griffin to luck. A player with his athleticism, passing accuracy, intelligence, and leadership has never played the position. Never. Vick caused enormous problems for defenses because if his ability to make plays with his feet... And he wasn't as much of a passing theat. Imagine the problems griffin would create. He could be nearly unstoppable.

Luck is great, but he can be stopped with a tradition defense as long as players do their job. Griffin is going to require a lot of exotic defensive schemes. I he meets his potential, the only way defenses will be able to stop him is if he makes a mistake.
before anyone compares RG3 to Vick let him get on the field. The line could wrap around the planet several times who called Vick a bust back then. 10 years later runner up to MVP. laughable. People already puttin RG3 in the HOF. I remember Jamarcus Russell claimed to have the best pro day ever as well. scout were drooling.

Comparing Vick to RG3 is flat out retarded. Vick is an atheletic freak, and no one can compare. Vick happened to play QB and as a passer is pretty average, but still much better than people ever believed he would be. There will never be a another Vick. RG3 is a quarterback and needs to be compared to top passers who have come out the draft in the last 10 years.
__________________
Boycott Rolling Stone Magazine
Chico23231 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-22-2012, 12:36 PM   #187
Quietly Dominating the East
 
Hog1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Naples, Florida
Posts: 9,462
Re: The Pro Days Thread

Of ALL the BS, Speculation, JUBILATION, etc that I am want to enjoy with thoughts of RG3 or Luck. What I enjoy the most is the thought that the other respective members of the NFC East are thinking...........Uh-oh...
WAY tired of being a non-factor......
__________________
Goodbye Sean..........Vaya Con Dios
thankyou Joe.......
“God made certain people to play football. He was one of them.” – Joe Gibbs
Hog1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-22-2012, 12:45 PM   #188
Living Legend
 
Monkeydad's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: PA
Age: 35
Posts: 16,275
Re: The Pro Days Thread

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bubba305-ST21- View Post
id be alot of sad, i like griffin over luck. i hope the colts dont want to move away from the manning mold
Luck fits the Colts offense. He's even more mobile than Manning which he'll need to be with their line.

Griffin fits ours perfectly.

Both teams will get exactly the QB they need. Swap the QBs and they'll still be successful, but Luck to the Colts and RG3 to us are the best fits.

I'm not worried about the Colts taking our guy. Reports are that they've had their mind made up for a while.


Jim Irsay seizes full control of Colts from Peyton Manning, ready to rebuild with Andrew Luck - NFL - Yahoo! Sports

Recent news on Andrew Luck - College Player - Rotoworld.com
Next up: Like Manning, next rookie QB will start immediately | Indianapolis Star | indystar.com
__________________
Not sent from a Droid, iPhone, Blackberry or toaster

Last edited by Monkeydad; 03-22-2012 at 01:00 PM.
Monkeydad is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-22-2012, 01:48 PM   #189
Living Legend
 
skinsfaninok's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Oklahoma City (Originally from Biloxi, Ms)
Age: 27
Posts: 16,344
Quote:
Originally Posted by Monkeydad View Post
Luck fits the Colts offense. He's even more mobile than Manning which he'll need to be with their line.

Griffin fits ours perfectly.

Both teams will get exactly the QB they need. Swap the QBs and they'll still be successful, but Luck to the Colts and RG3 to us are the best fits.

I'm not worried about the Colts taking our guy. Reports are that they've had their mind made up for a while.


Jim Irsay seizes full control of Colts from Peyton Manning, ready to rebuild with Andrew Luck - NFL - Yahoo! Sports

Recent news on Andrew Luck - College Player - Rotoworld.com
Next up: Like Manning, next rookie QB will start immediately | Indianapolis Star | indystar.com
This
__________________
THUNDER UP

"if you're good at something, never do it for free"- The Joker

skinsfaninok is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 03-22-2012, 01:50 PM   #190
Pro Bowl
 
SirClintonPortis's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 6,052
Re: The Pro Days Thread

Quote:
Originally Posted by mbedner3420 View Post
Didn't he run the same 40 time as Cam Newton? That is some serious athleticism for a guy his size.
Not officially. But one of his unofficial times did clock in at 4.59.
__________________
Analysis using datasets (aka stats) is an attempt at reverse-engineering a player's "goodness".

Virtuosity remembered, douchebaggery forgotten.

The ideal character profile shoved down modern Western men and women's throats is Don Juan.
SirClintonPortis is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-22-2012, 02:01 PM   #191
The Starter
 
30gut's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Posts: 2,099
Re: The Pro Days Thread

Quote:
Originally Posted by alaskaN8 View Post
so i see alot of comparison between rg3 and vick. but how would you guys rate him agianst some of the younger quarterbacks in the league? like matt ryan, sam bradford, matt stafford or cam newton?
Comparisons need to be taken with a grain of salt.
Even though people should already realize the inherent flaws of making non-specific player to player comparisons they still get all bent out them.
The skillset comparison between Vick and RGIII is legitimate.
First there is the dynamic speed quite frankly there are no other QBs capable of running sub 4.4 40 time they form a category that only contains them.
Then there's the: running ability, overall build, above average arm strength.

Re: rate him (as a prospect) against some of the younger quarterbacks in the league?
Newton(I had Newton ahead of Luck last year so my ranking isn't aided by hindsight of Newton's success this year)
Stafford
RGIII
Luck
Bradford/Ryan
__________________
No longer were NFL coaches dealing inflexibly with spread [QBs] in ways that caused stunted development for players like [A. Smith and Vick] now, the idea is to bring what the quarterback can do, and what he should do, together as an organic whole

Last edited by 30gut; 03-22-2012 at 02:06 PM.
30gut is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-22-2012, 02:07 PM   #192
MVP
 
NC_Skins's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Posts: 11,203
Re: The Pro Days Thread

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mattyk View Post
I know we've all got RG3 fever, but I think alot of people continue to underestimate Luck's athleticism. He can get out of the pocket and make things happen too. He's not just a pocket guy.



Listen to what Mayock says in the background. This is no Drew Bledsoe people.
__________________
"So let me get this straight. We have the event of the year on TV with millions watching around the world... and people want a punt, pass, and kick competition to be the halftime entertainment?? Folks, don't quit your day jobs."- Matty
NC_Skins is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-22-2012, 02:08 PM   #193
Impact Rookie
 
Bubba305-ST21-'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Age: 26
Posts: 683
Re: The Pro Days Thread

what makes it official or unofficial? i dont get what dictates that, bc suppsedly rg3 ran an unofficial 4.38
__________________
never another.....R.I.P. Sean T #21
Bubba305-ST21- is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-22-2012, 02:14 PM   #194
MVP
 
NC_Skins's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Posts: 11,203
Re: The Pro Days Thread

I've seen some stupid shit being said, but this might take the cake. (ES idiot no doubt)


Quote:
If I was the Colts, even if I was 100% sold on Luck and had no interest at all in RG3, I would still pick him to see what the Skins or anyone else would be willing to trade for him, if I set my price too high and get no bidders, then worst case scenario you are "stuck" with the franchise QB you didn't want, which really is not all that bad.
__________________
"So let me get this straight. We have the event of the year on TV with millions watching around the world... and people want a punt, pass, and kick competition to be the halftime entertainment?? Folks, don't quit your day jobs."- Matty
NC_Skins is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-22-2012, 02:18 PM   #195
You did WHAT?!?
 
EARTHQUAKE2689's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: In The Kitchen With Dyna.
Age: 25
Posts: 12,224
Re: The Pro Days Thread

^ Gotta love stupid.
__________________
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpp3ycMvQd0

This is why you need Mentos. To justify your questionable problem solving skills.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7geP5ev0VI

Awesome isn't it.
EARTHQUAKE2689 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 10:35 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
This site is not officially affiliated with the Washington Redskins or the NFL.
Page generated in 0.36107 seconds with 9 queries

Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.2.0 RC5

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25