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Old 02-10-2005, 04:03 AM   #1
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He has Edward's going to the bear's at 4 and us taking Mike William's at 9, will see after the combines.
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Old 02-10-2005, 09:23 AM   #2
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I'd be surprised if Edwards did the combine beyond the interviews. I thinks Williams will though. He and Clarett have the most to gain. After careful consideration I have softened my stance on taking a WR in the 1st. I had been adamently against it but after doing a little more homework on Williams I think he is going to be a stud WR. Every year there is a guy who slips for whatever reason and ends up being a great pick...last year it was Rothleisberger. Moss was once in this class. Williams was a guy that was talked about as a top 5 pick last year albeit early in the draft season. He was a monster play maker at USC who basically dominated everyone he played. He wasn't just great he was on another level. He should be a higher pick than 9 but since he has been out it lowers him in people's eyes. If he's available at 9 we should take him and if we can get him a couple picks later I'd like to trade down and get another pick too. I think he'd be the steal of the draft at 9 or later. Hopefully he won't move up after the combines.
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Still plenty of time for things to change, guys that rise, guys that drop, etc.
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I would rather trade down and get some more picks. Thats just my opinion...
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Can someone with access post Kipers full mock draft? Thanks.
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Tried to do a cut and paste of the text for you but it won't let me. The site must block this function. Sorry.
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Old 02-10-2005, 11:59 AM   #7
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Here's the mock

1. San Francisco 49ers: Alex Smith (jr.), QB, Utah
A smart player who will pick up an NFL system quickly, Smith has good size, is mobile enough to hurt teams with his running ability and is also an efficient passer who can make all the necessary throws.

2. Miami Dolphins: Cedric Benson, RB, Texas
A strong, tough runner with good speed for his size, Benson would help fill the void left by the retirement of Ricky Williams. But there is speculation the Dolphins will attempt to fill their running back need through trade, perhaps for Buffalo's Travis Henry, so stay tuned.

3. Cleveland Browns: Aaron Rodgers (jr.), QB, California
Rodgers is a smart, accurate passer with a quick release. His arm strength is adequate and he is a better prospect at this point in his career than former Cal QB Kyle Boller, now the starter for the Baltimore Ravens.

4. Chicago Bears: Braylon Edwards, WR, Michigan
Edwards has the size, speed and athleticism to take over games, and he did that several times in 2004. He also significantly cut down on dropped passes and concentration lapses this past season, pushing his stock even higher.

5. Tampa Bay Buccaneers: Carnell Williams, RB, Auburn
A creative, deceptive runner with tremendous natural skills. Williams can get tough yards inside despite lacking ideal size, a point illustrated by his 29 rushing TDs over the last two years. Was also coached by Tampa head coach Jon Gruden in the Senior Bowl.

6. Tennessee Titans: Adam Jones, CB, West Virginia
A good cover man who will also contribute as a kick returner, Jones has very good closing speed and is a willing tackler in run support. That may be his most important quality with the NFL hurting pass defenses by focusing on downfield infractions by defensive backs.

7. Oakland Raiders: Dan Cody, DE, Oklahoma
A fiery, intense player who always goes all-out, Cody is similar to former NFL standout Kevin Greene in his ability to play on his feet as an outside linebacker, or in a three-point stance as a defensive end.

8. Arizona Cardinals: Ronnie Brown, RB, Auburn
Perhaps the most complete back in the draft, Brown can carry or catch the ball with equal skill. He has size, instincts and quickness that allowed him to put up excellent numbers at the college level.

9. Washington Redskins: Mike Williams (jr.), WR, USC
Williams did not play in 2004 but dominated the college game for two seasons while at USC. His 6-foot-5, 230-pound frame gives him a big advantage over defensive backs, and he has excellent hands. Would be a great help in the development of quarterback Patrick Ramsey and help take some pressure off Clinton Portis in the running game.


10. Detroit Lions: Marcus Spears, DE, LSU
Spears boosted his stock immensely with an outstanding performance at the Senior Bowl. He showcased his speed, strength and athleticism against some of the best offensive linemen in the nation, and his size would make him a welcome addition for a team that needs to boost its pass rush.

11. Dallas Cowboys: Travis Johnson, DT, Florida State
Spends a lot of time in opposing backfields after collapsing the pocket or gaining penetration against the run. Came on strong and raised his stock significantly during his senior year.

12. San Diego Chargers (from NYG): Derrick Johnson, OLB, Texas
Has the speed and strength to chase ballcarriers from sideline to sideline and make things happen when he gets to the ball.

13. Houston Texans: Troy Williamson (jr.), WR, South Carolina
Perhaps the fastest wideout in the draft, Williamson would be a nice complement to budding superstar and physical wideout Andre Johnson.

14. Carolina Panthers: Alex Barron, OT, Florida State
With light feet for a player his size, Barron is a consistent blocker who is equally adept in both the pass and run games.

15. Kansas City Chiefs: Shawne Merriman (jr.), DE/OLB, Maryland
A workout warrior who would help shore up a defensive line that had trouble pressuring the quarterback last season. Expect Kansas City to commit nearly its entire draft to the defensive side of the ball.

16. New Orleans Saints: Brodney Pool (jr.), S, Oklahoma
A complete safety who excels in coverage and is more than adequate in run support, Pool has excellent size, covers a lot of ground and shows good anticipation in diagnosing plays.

17. Cincinnati Bengals: Roddy White, WR, UAB
A big-play wideout who averaged 20.0 yards per catch last season, White's combination of size and speed is in the elite category.

18. Minnesota Vikings: Shaun Cody, DL, USC
A versatile lineman who can play end or tackle, and was a leader on the nation's best rush defense..

19. St. Louis Rams: Erasmus James, DE, Wisconsin
Has to answer questions about his durability, but when healthy, James was a force along the line who commanded double-team blocks on a regular basis.

20. Dallas Cowboys (from BUF): Antrell Rolle, CB, Miami
A good cover man who did not see a lot of balls thrown his way in 2004, Rolle was still a force in run support and is adept at blitzing off the corner.

21. Jacksonville Jaguars: Khalif Barnes, OT, Washington
Another player who raised his stock at the Senior Bowl, where he answered questions about a wrist injury that sidelined him for the final six games of 2004. Excellent in both run and pass blocking and earned the respect of Iowa DE Matt Roth at the Senior Bowl, with Roth calling Barnes the best tackle he faced all season.

22. Baltimore Ravens: Mark Clayton, WR, Oklahoma
Has excellent speed and is one of the best in years at running after the catch, making Clayton a big-play threat who would give young QB Kyle Boller another option on the outside.

23. Seattle Seahawks: Matt Roth, DE, Iowa
A tremendous natural pass rusher who has fire and intensity, Roth's outstanding consistency this season helped raise his stock.

24. Green Bay Packers: Thomas Davis (jr.), OLB, Georgia
A punishing tackler who played safety in college, Davis has the size and speed to become a force in the front seven at the pro level.

25. Denver Broncos: Demarcus Ware, OLB, Troy
Needs to add a little bulk to his frame, but his quickness would give a boost to a Denver pass rush that was lackluster in 2004.

26. New York Jets: Carlos Rogers, CB, Auburn
A physical player who is an asset in run support and also has the speed to be an outstanding cover man. Rogers was the best player on a very good Auburn defense thanks to his consistency and durability.

27. Atlanta Falcons: Brandon Browner (so.), CB, Oregon State
With his good size and speed, Browner is a consistent cover man who would be a nice complement to last year's top pick, fellow CB D'Angelo Hall.

28. San Diego Chargers: Roscoe Parrish (jr.), WR, Miami
A speedy guy who would round out a receiving corps bolstered this season by the addition of Keenan McCardell and the emergence of TE Antonio Gates. Parrish would also be an asset in the return game.

29. Indianapolis Colts: Anttaj Hawthorne, DT, Wisconsin
His combination of size, strength and athleticism make Hawthorne an ideal 4-3 defensive tackle. He knows how to handle double-team blocks and can create lost-yardage plays.

30. Pittsburgh Steelers: Heath Miller (jr.), TE, Virginia
A tremendous pass receiver and a willing blocker along the line, Miller would give young quarterback Ben Roethlisberger another weapon to complement his wide receivers and also be a help to the Pittsburgh running game.

31. Philadelphia Eagles: Reggie Brown, WR, Georgia
Has excellent size and hands and gained plenty of attention with a good Senior Bowl showing. Would be a nice addition to a receiving corps led by Terrell Owens.

32. New England Patriots: Channing Crowder (so.), MLB, Florida
Crowder immediately became one of the best linebackers in college after setting foot on campus. He has all the skills and instincts to be a tremendous middle linebacker at the next level.

Borderline first-rounders

The players below are on the very fringe of the first round and depending on how things shake down some, all or none of them could ultimately end up being taken off the board in the first 31 selections:

# Darryl Blackstock, OLB, Virginia
# Jammal Brown, OT, Oklahoma
# Jason Campbell, QB, Auburn
# Charlie Frye, QB, Akron
# Bryant McFadden, CB, Florida State
# David Pollack, DE, Georgia
# Justin Tuck (jr.), DE, Notre Dame
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Old 02-10-2005, 12:16 PM   #8
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If we could trade into the mid to late teens and still get rolle if fred leaves, james, or roth I would like too see us do that. If we do take a WR at 9 I would rather see us take Williams. People are really sleeping on this guy, I bet after the combine he is top 3 overall. He completely dominated his last year and mike have been drafted in the top 5 last year with all of those other amazing WR's
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Old 02-10-2005, 12:28 PM   #9
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I'd trade down to gain a 2nd rd pick. So at least we would draft a 1st, 2nd, & 3rd rd pick this season. I'm going with the theory that more picks will give us better depth at several positions that maybe vacant this offseason & next years.

So many great players have fallen into the later rds. it's just a matter of finding these studs.
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If we could trade into the mid to late teens and still get rolle if fred leaves, james, or roth I would like too see us do that. If we do take a WR at 9 I would rather see us take Williams. People are really sleeping on this guy, I bet after the combine he is top 3 overall. He completely dominated his last year and mike have been drafted in the top 5 last year with all of those other amazing WR's
I have heard two knocks on the guy (Williams):

1. He doesn't have the speed needed for a pro wideout. I remember hearing some talk last year that he could end up a TE/WR tweener a' la Michael Ricks. Don't know whether this is valid or not - haven't seen his times.

2. He is has difficulty catching when lined up on one side of the field (I can't remember whether it was the right or left). I know this one sounds strange but I remember some references to it last year at draft time. It stuck in my mind b/c I had never heard anything like it before. As I recall, whatever the source of this one was (can't remember who it was - may just have been a random posting somewhere but I am pretty sure it was on ESPN), they had looked at Williams catches and realized that about 90% of em came when he was lined up on one side of the field. I have absolutely no knowledge as to whether this is true or not or if I am just having a mild delusion from too many blows to the head, but I am just throwing it out there.
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Old 02-10-2005, 03:53 PM   #11
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What about how he has trouble staying in shape and has been known to be somewhat lazy at times?
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Old 02-10-2005, 04:07 PM   #12
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I still would rather see us take a chance on him then take Edwards. I just don't see Edwards doing anything in the NFL. In a madden type world I would like to see us take a DE, either Spears, James, or Roth and then in the 2nd or 3rd depending what we have take Fred Gibson for the WR
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I'd trade down to gain a 2nd rd pick. So at least we would draft a 1st, 2nd, & 3rd rd pick this season. I'm going with the theory that more picks will give us better depth at several positions that maybe vacant this offseason & next years.

So many great players have fallen into the later rds. it's just a matter of finding these studs.

Agreed! Just analyzing Kipers Draft:

Positions 18-19 look good!
as do 21-23, and 26-30! Any one of those picks would look great in B&G!

Bonus: More Picks in later rounds! Who knows how many we could get?
If we can squeeze them in under our Salary Cap, who knows?
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Old 02-10-2005, 05:12 PM   #14
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My problem with selecting WRs in general is that they typically take 3 years or so to blossom into difference-makers. For every Randy Moss or, in this year's case, Roy Williams from the Lions who make immediate impact as rookies; you have plenty of guys like Santana Moss, David Boston, Javon Walker, Reggie Wayne, Andre Johnson, Ashley Lelie, and even our own Laveraneus Coles who took 3 years or so to begin putting up serious numbers. In their rookie years, receivers typically struggle in dealing with the physical play of corners in the NFL, and don't quite understand the subtleties of running routes in the pros. I would rather see the team either give Taylor Jacobs a shot (this will be his 3rd year), or sign someone like TJ Houshmanzedeh who is just coming into his own, yet will not cost an arm or a leg. The team's salary cap situation gets dire in 2006, so I'd rather not select a player who likely won't develop into a playmaker until 2007. Mike Williams has enormous talent, but he's still only the age of a college sophomore. I'd like to see that first round pick get swapped for picks later in the draft, and I wouldn't mind if the team considered Heath Miller TE from UVA with a pick later in the 1st round.
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I think we'll look to obtain a WR via free agency first, and depending on who we get we still might look to draft one. If the team feels it solved the WR 'problem' with a free agent then maybe we'll look to trade down or address other needs.
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