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Old 04-24-2012, 07:15 PM   #31
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I was one of the few that was 100% against the trade and still am. I think after the draft, and once all the hype is settled, he'll get is head in the playbook and start grinding. We're not going to know if this trade was a mistake until a few years down the line.
I was not in favor of giving up 3 #1s and a #2 to move up 4 spots this year. But, we get the QB we have needed for years, but little to help him on the OL. Same as last year, and the year before, but now, we will not have all of those #1s to re-load the line. Hope RGIII stays healthy, and hope we get some help for the OL later in the Draft. I was more in favor of trading back like we did for Kerrigan in order to net more picks. That seemed to work very well, and seems more like a way to continue to re-load like the Patriots.

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Old 04-24-2012, 07:15 PM   #32
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I look at it this way. Luck took a calculus 2 course at Stanford (pro style offense) while RG3 took a Pre-Calculus course (spread-option offense). Both QB's aced their respective courses. Luck had the easier teacher (Pac 10 defenses) but in the end both are very smart. However right now Luck is much more prepared to handle the calculus 3 that is an NFL offense then RG3. At least in terms of learning it.
I'm trying to follow your analogy but I think it makes it more complicated.
Luck is not the 1st QB to come from a 'pro-style' offense and even that label 'pro-style' is a misconception because more and more NFL offense are using spread concepts as part of their base packages.
Some teams are in shotgun between 50-60% of their offensive plays (not just pass plays but total offensive plays).
Also, Luck comes from a particular style of offenses the WCO and IIRC Bruce Arians comes from the digit system not the WCO so the core concepts and verbiage will be different.

Imo coachability and football intellect are far more important then being 'pro-ready' because regardless of how pro-ready a prospect maybe (unless they go into the exact same offense) they are still gonna have to learn a new offense and learn the NFL defenses both learning curves are steep departure from college.

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being pro-ready is a very short lived advantage that may not last past training camp
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I was not in favor of giving up 3 #1s and a #2 to move up 4 spots this year. But, we get the QB we have needed for years, but little to help him on the OL. Same as last year, and the year before, but now, we will not have all of those #1s to re-load the line. Hope RGIII stays healthy, and hope we get some help for the OL later in the Draft. I was more in favor of trading back like we did for Kerrigan in order to net more picks. That seemed to work very well, and seems more like a way to continue to re-load like the Patriots.

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Here we go again, we gave up 2 #1 picks not 3.


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Old 04-24-2012, 07:27 PM   #34
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Re: One Last Luck vs RGIII Thread

The way RGIII handles the media reminds me of how Jason C did. He doesn't seem to have the chip on his shoulder that young Mike Vick had. He is in the spot light, and he's worked hard to get there. I have no issues with him doing it, as long as his play on the field isn't affected. If I had the money and attention he's getting, I would make Charlie Sheen look like Tim Tebow.
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Old 04-25-2012, 07:39 AM   #35
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Here we go again, we gave up 2 #1 picks not 3.


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Old 04-25-2012, 07:44 AM   #36
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I look at it this way. Luck took a calculus 2 course at Stanford (pro style offense) while RG3 took a Pre-Calculus course (spread-option offense). Both QB's aced their respective courses. Luck had the easier teacher (Pac 10 defenses) but in the end both are very smart. However right now Luck is much more prepared to handle the calculus 3 that is an NFL offense then RG3. At least in terms of learning it.

I still think RG3 will have the better year as he is surrounded by a better team and the AFC South defenses Luck will be facing in division (Titans, Texans, and Jaguars) all ranked in the top 10 last year and that was after adjusting for strength of schedule. NFC East offenses weren't to bad but at the same time they're not great either.

I really think though that Luck vs Griffin is going to be the NFL's version of Bird vs Magin and Gretzky vs Lemieux.
I loved everything you said until you compared them to other sports with players that are actually on the field/court at the same time. Quarterbacks dont have rivalries with one another. Offensive Tackles/Defensive Ends, and Wideouts/Cornerbacks do.
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Old 04-25-2012, 08:04 AM   #37
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Ooooooh! Let me count again! This years, next years, and the one the year after! You're right!
One pick was a swap. Different than giving away or trading.
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Re: One Last Luck vs RGIII Thread

gross: we gave up 3 #1 picks
net: we gave up 2 #1 picks

can we agree on this?
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Here we go again, we gave up 2 #1 picks not 3.


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We are using three first round picks and a second round pick on one player. So we are still giving up 4 picks for one player. I love it though
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Ooooooh! Let me count again! This years, next years, and the one the year after! You're right!
We have a pick this year in the first round. We swapped picks.


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gross: we gave up 3 #1 picks
net: we gave up 2 #1 picks

can we agree on this?
I can.


Can we also agree, no matter how you slice the numbers, the St. Louis Rams got a boatload of our premium picks, and in exchange we get a player with the potential to be a star qb in this league.

Ultimately, I don't care how many Trent Williams, Chris Samuels, or Jansens you have on your team, if you don't have a qb that can win it in the beginning, middle and end of the game, then you aren't going to be a good team in this league. And yes one of the 2nd tier qb's may go on to be That Guy (not the Warpath's That Guy, but you know -- That Guy), but it may or may not be the one we chose. Imagine if Aaron Rodger's turned out to have a JCampbell style career, and JCampbell had the AR type career. It didn't happen, but pre draft, who knew. In fact Andrew Brandt on the Morning kick off was talking with Ross Tucker about how GB kept Rodgers on hold for 12 minutes while they hoped somebody would offer a trade back. What if we had made That Call. Or if someone else had, and we took AR.

well i would ramble a little more, cause I don't want to get back to work, but i guess I have too.
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Old 04-25-2012, 10:23 AM   #42
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Here we go again, we gave up 2 #1 picks not 3.
Tomato, Tomato.

It is, but it isn't.


It actually took 3 first and a 2nd to get that 1st, which was 4 spots ahead.


This reminds me of when the whole CBA thing was going on. The owners liked to say they were getting 60/40 split of the profits, but what they were doing is leaving off the 1 billion off the top so they can show the public how they were being neglected. The NLFPA side of it was that it was basically a 50/50 split (give or take a few percentages) once you add the 1 billion into the equation.

I think this all boils down to how you view the transaction.
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Old 04-25-2012, 04:53 PM   #43
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I was not in favor of giving up 3 #1s and a #2 to move up 4 spots this year. But, we get the QB we have needed for years, but little to help him on the OL. Same as last year, and the year before, but now, we will not have all of those #1s to re-load the line. Hope RGIII stays healthy, and hope we get some help for the OL later in the Draft. I was more in favor of trading back like we did for Kerrigan in order to net more picks. That seemed to work very well, and seems more like a way to continue to re-load like the Patriots.

Gotta trust Shan-Allen!
The Redskins have gone since 1985 without a true franchise QB. It was completely necessary for the Redskins front office to pay whatever price it took in order to get a franchise quarterback. We could have had one in the 2005 draft, but Joe Gibbs thought so much of Jason Campbell that he overlooked Aaron Rodgers. If the Redskins can get a strong and athletic RT in the draft to go along with T. Williams, K. Lichtensteiger, Montgomery, and Chester, then the offensive line could flourish into being one of the best in the NFL. Speaking of Griffin III staying healthy, I hope he gains another 15 pounds or so before training camp starts. He's going to get hit a lot by a lot of 245-260 pound linebackers. Griffin III is a slender 223 pounds now so lets hope that he can withstand the hits that an NFL QB takes.
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As to the thread title, if this actually is the LAST Luck vs RGIII thread, I will be astounded.
Ain't NO such thing.
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Old 04-26-2012, 12:16 AM   #45
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gross: we gave up 3 #1 picks
net: we gave up 2 #1 picks

can we agree on this?

I can agree on this, but then, there is this from a Redskins.com page poster on the 99% Sure of RGIII Article:


"As a football fan I still question the price paid for RG3.As a Redskin fan I hope it is worth it and he becomes the Next Great NFL QB, but please do not question my love of the Redskins because I disagree and I am not jumping with joy. This year we will miss out on the 6th and 38th best player in the draft, In the next two years we will miss out on two of the top 20 players (if we go 8-8) in the draft. If you do not understand the cost and risk involed (injury being the big one as 1 injury now=100% of missing skill sets on the field vs 50% this year, 33% next and 25% in 2014)over the long term,you may not know football as well as you think you do. AGAIN:my concern is the cost and risk, I would have the same concern if he got Luck and not RG3. It is a roll of the dice by people who gave us McNabb,Grossman and Beck the last two years. Just food for thought.."



And now, I'm taking to calling him RG#1+#1+#1+#2.
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