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Old 04-30-2012, 12:42 PM   #136
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Re: Kirk Cousins pick 4.7

I personally thought it was a good draft pick for several reasons. I also thought the Redskins had one of the better drafts in-- not only 2012, but also in 2011. No one really knows until they step on the football (including the redskins).

It's all very interesting too - how this qb issue is so polaring to fans and NFL analysts alike.
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Old 04-30-2012, 12:42 PM   #137
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I don't understand using our 4th round pick to address an area that can only provide benefit in the future as opposed to drafting a player that could provide benefit this season and in the future.
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Old 04-30-2012, 12:43 PM   #138
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Suppose there's actually a one in a million chance that RGIII is a bust. Well we got the one percent covered with Cousins.
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Old 04-30-2012, 12:53 PM   #139
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I don't understand using our 4th round pick to address an area that can only provide benefit in the future as opposed to drafting a player that could provide benefit this season and in the future.

There's a couple of ways just off the top of my head that it helps for this season - he immediately brings in some insight that Rex Grossman and John Beck couldn't provide at the qb position. And he definitely provides much more confidence and depth at the the qb spot.
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Old 04-30-2012, 12:54 PM   #140
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... which is the most impactful position on the field.
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Old 04-30-2012, 01:00 PM   #141
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I don't understand using our 4th round pick to address an area that can only provide benefit in the future as opposed to drafting a player that could provide benefit this season and in the future.
Aren't most fourth round picks considered developmental for the future instead of likely present contributors?
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Old 04-30-2012, 01:03 PM   #142
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There's a couple of ways just off the top of my head that it helps for this season - he immediately brings in some insight that Rex Grossman and John Beck couldn't provide at the qb position. And he definitely provides much more confidence and depth at the the qb spot.
I'm not sure what you mean by insight, but Grossman undoubtedly knows the offense better then Cousins.
And maybe Cousins does bring more confidence, I'm hoping he can win the back-up spot outright and become the back-up as a rookie like Tyrod Taylor did last year.

But, I'm refering to actual on the field contributions either through offense, defense or special teams as a rotational or depth player.
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Old 04-30-2012, 01:04 PM   #143
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Now there's an intelligent comment!

The question isn't whether Cousins will start. The question is, "How is Cousins going to get enough reps to develop?"
Win the backup job from Rex Grossman.
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Old 04-30-2012, 01:06 PM   #144
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Aren't most fourth round picks considered developmental for the future instead of likely present contributors?
Yes, but that doesn't mean they can't provide rookie year impact through offense, defense or special teams as rotational or depth players ala Perry Riley, Helu, Royster, Maurice Hurt, Chris Nield etc..
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The thing with Cousins that I don't like is the negative media publicity we get.


I like that we get griffin and let him know "Hey your the guy, but remember you're still competing with the young and the old, this isn't just Given to you."

Hopefully Cousins looks like Matt Flynn in Preseason and we can get a future 3rd or 2nd for him.
Why do you care? Hatters gonna hat.. Media gonna be media so let them talk.
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Old 04-30-2012, 01:14 PM   #146
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Aren't most fourth round picks considered developmental for the future instead of likely present contributors?
Yeah, it was kind of funny to me how Tedy Bruschi is arguing that this was a luxury pick up because 4th rounders are usually for contributors at Special Teams and depth. And for team like the Redskins, they can't afford to use that pick for a qb. I'll give him the Special Teams contribution, but doesn't Cousins provide depth at the most important position - which solidifies the quarterback position for the redskins, a position that was arguably the weakest?

Then Bruschi turns around and praises the eagles for picking up depth at the qb position with Nick Foles... I don't get it. I guess it's a luxury that an 8-8 team can afford and not a 5-11 team that could have easily won 3 more games if the qb play was better.
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IMO, since this is still a rebuilding year, we can afford to sacrifice the present for the future. 8-8 is the same as 6-10 in terms of not making the playoffs.
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Old 04-30-2012, 01:20 PM   #148
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IMO, since this is still a rebuilding year, we can afford to sacrifice the present for the future. 8-8 is the same as 6-10 in terms of not making the playoffs.
That's the most compelling angle I've heard yet.
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Old 04-30-2012, 01:21 PM   #149
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I'm not sure what you mean by insight, but Grossman undoubtedly knows the offense better then Cousins.
And maybe Cousins does bring more confidence, I'm hoping he can win the back-up spot outright and become the back-up as a rookie like Tyrod Taylor did last year.

But, I'm refering to actual on the field contributions either through offense, defense or special teams as a rotational or depth player.
Going by the analysis by the ESPN experts, one insight that he provides that Grossman doesn't is progressions. And he also reportedly is the type that speaks up to help and contribute to the team. This will all help on the field and the team as soon as he starts working with the team.
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Yeah, it was kind of funny to me how Tedy Bruschi is arguing that this was a luxury pick up because 4th rounders are usually for contributors at Special Teams and depth. And for team like the Redskins, they can't afford to use that pick for a qb. I'll give him the Special Teams contribution, but doesn't Cousins provide depth at the most important position - which solidifies the quarterback position for the redskins, a position that was arguably the weakest?

Then Bruschi turns around and praises the eagles for picking up depth at the qb position with Nick Foles... I don't get it. I guess it's a luxury that an 8-8 team can afford and not a 5-11 team that could have easily won 3 more games if the qb play was better.
Plus Foles was a 3rd rd pick.
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