Kirk Cousins pick 4.7

warriorzpath · 04-30-2012, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

When Kirk Cousins is being talked about more than your 1st pick, your starting QB, Robert Griffin, then thats never a good thing to have, especially for a rookie.

I don't know. I think Cousins is more relevant and being talked about more BECAUSE of Griffin first and foremost. Griffin is also discussed outside of the Cousins draft discussion.

JoeRedskin · 04-30-2012, 02:39 PM

As to the concerns that the Shannies might not handle the QB position well if a transition is needed or occurs, both RGIII and Cousins are big time character guys. From everything I have read on both, they get it. When adversity hits, they work harder.

These aren't guys who need pampers a' la Donovan "I don't wear a wristband b/c I'm a HOF QB" McNabb. They are "Yes coach", "No coach" guys. You know what happens the first time RGIII gets pulled from a game? He locks himself in the film room for a couple days and then gets one or two of the WR's to work overtime with him. As to Cousins, I am betting he busts his ass so, when the time comes, he gets the gold ring endorsement from Shanahan who - regardless of his failings - is still seen as a QB guru by the league elites. If Shanny likes him, he will be able to write his own ticket and I'm betting Cousins knows this or will soon enough.

The more I think about it, the more I like it. Barring an epic fail by both these guys, we are set at the QB position for the foreseeable future and can really focus on building from the center out (i.e. - filling in lineman, finding a playmaker or two) in the upcoming years.

JoeRedskin · 04-30-2012, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

When Kirk Cousins is being talked about more than your 1st pick, your starting QB, Robert Griffin, then thats never a good thing to have, especially for a rookie.

The only reason he is getting more press now is b/c of the first pick. If we had just gotten Cousins - and not done the trade for RGIII, Cousins would not be getting the press he is now. It's "reflected press" if you will.

The news on RGIII was reaching a saturation point - this just gives the press a new way to talk about him.

Mattyk · 04-30-2012, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

When Kirk Cousins is being talked about more than your 1st pick, your starting QB, Robert Griffin, then thats never a good thing to have, especially for a rookie.

We've been talking about RG3 for months now.

The Cousins talk will die down soon enough. There's no stopping the RG3 hype machine.

CultBrennan59 · 04-30-2012, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk

We've been talking about RG3 for months now.

The Cousins talk will die down soon enough. There's no stopping the RG3 hype machine.

I'm sure as soon as Griffin does his trading card shoot he'll be popular again..should be doing that sometime within the next month.

30gut · 04-30-2012, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by warriorzpath

Oh my... I don't think I can discuss this with you anymore with what you just said about Rex and his pass progressions being better - even with his familiarity within this offense, but manages to automatically throw 2 interceptions per game. His pass progressions are the worst of any veteran in the league. He's good Rex bad Rex for a reason - if the play goes as expected it's good Rex, if something doesn't go well on a particular play - it's bad Rex.

Okay. Then don't discuss it with me.
But when you're not discussing with me do me this favor don't change my statements around about 'Rex and his pass progressions being better'
I responded and disagreed with your statement that Cousins provided more 'insight' on the progressions then Rex.
Rex knows the progressions in this offense he's just not a good QB.

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Trent Dilfer said that what Cousins does better than RGIII right now is go through progressions. That right now Cousins is probably a better red zone QB than RGIII for that reason.

Rex wasn't mentioned

That makes a lot more sense.
Cousins comes from a pro-style offense and has more experience with a rhythm passing offense where the drop back footwork is linked to progression reads.

The RZ stuff makes me go hhmmmnnn because Griff adds a whole different element in that area that could help generate TDs.

30gut · 04-30-2012, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

My concern is that the Shanahans might - - I said MIGHT - - not be well-equipped to deal with an on-the-field problem of that nature.............Hopefully it will not come to that.

I actually share that concern a little but then I remember watching the Baylor games.
And my most scientific analytical opinion overwhelms me again: Griffin is a stud.

warriorzpath · 04-30-2012, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by 30gut

Okay. Then don't discuss it with me.
But when you're not discussing with me do me this favor don't change my statements around about 'Rex and his pass progressions being better'
I responded and disagreed with your statement that Cousins provided more 'insight' on the progressions then Rex.
Rex knows the progressions in this offense he's just not a good QB.

Anybody that has familiarity of the playbook will KNOW the progressions of a pass play. It's the approach of handling and executing through the pass progressions - that's what appears to give Cousins the advantage and better insight of "pass progessions" over Grossman.

warriorzpath · 04-30-2012, 04:26 PM

... like I said - Grossman's pass progressions are the worst by a veteran in the league. Whatever you want to call it - insight, approach, execution. He just doesn't do it well, whether or not he knows them are irrelevant -- apparently -- by his results on the field.

SmootSmack · 04-30-2012, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by warriorzpath

... like I said - Grossman's pass progressions are the worst in the league. Whatever you want to call it - insight, approach, execution. He just doesn't do it well, whether or not he knows them are irrelevant -- apparently -- by his results on the field.

I heard them compare RG3 to Cousins in terms of progressions but when did they talk about Grossman's progressions?

warriorzpath · 04-30-2012, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I heard them compare RG3 to Cousins in terms of progressions but when did they talk about Grossman's progressions?

It's my opinion. That's what I'm discussing: my opinion.

If you want to get in on this discussion, then you are welcome to.

NC_Skins · 04-30-2012, 04:30 PM

Cousins Pick A Mistake For Redskins? - ESPN Video - ESPN

I thought Skip Bayless had reached the pinnacle of stupidity, but I was wrong after viewing this segment. Guy simply needs to be fired. Bringing up race? Really? He's pretty much calling the Redskins fans racists(and Shanahan).

I used to think that the media only gave us shit because we were horrible, so now that we've changed everything, they are still on our nuts. At this point, it won't matter if we start winning Super Bowls because they are going to continue hatting.

It's sad Eric Mangini has to put him in place. /facepalm

I now remember why I don't watch those dumbass shows.

Mattyk · 04-30-2012, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Cousins Pick A Mistake For Redskins? - ESPN Video - ESPN

I thought Skip Bayless had reached the pinnacle of stupidity, but I was wrong after viewing this segment. Guy simply needs to be fired. Bringing up race? Really? He's pretty much calling the Redskins fans racists(and Shanahan).

I used to think that the media only gave us shit because we were horrible, so now that we've changed everything, they are still on our nuts. At this point, it won't matter if we start winning Super Bowls because they are going to continue hatting.

It's sad Eric Mangini has to put him in place. /facepalm

I now remember why I don't watch those dumbass shows.

Ugh, what a douche. This crap is just painful. Skip is the king of tinfoil hats.

SmootSmack · 04-30-2012, 04:47 PM

I admittedly was stunned at how "normal Eric Mangini is. I hated, hated, hated, when ESPN hired him. But he's arguably been one of the better additions in a while, in my opinion.

Skip's argument was ridiculous

SmootSmack · 04-30-2012, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by warriorzpath

It's my opinion. That's what I'm discussing: my opinion.

If you want to get in on this discussion, then you are welcome to.

Maybe I read this wrong then, but it seemed like you said it's what the experts are saying

http://www.thewarpath.net/nfl-draft-...tml#post914088 (Kirk Cousins pick 4.7)

04-30-2012, 02:39 PM	#167
JoeRedskin Contains football related knowledge Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Second Star On The Right Age: 50 Posts: 7,140	Re: Kirk Cousins pick 4.7 As to the concerns that the Shannies might not handle the QB position well if a transition is needed or occurs, both RGIII and Cousins are big time character guys. From everything I have read on both, they get it. When adversity hits, they work harder. These aren't guys who need pampers a' la Donovan "I don't wear a wristband b/c I'm a HOF QB" McNabb. They are "Yes coach", "No coach" guys. You know what happens the first time RGIII gets pulled from a game? He locks himself in the film room for a couple days and then gets one or two of the WR's to work overtime with him. As to Cousins, I am betting he busts his ass so, when the time comes, he gets the gold ring endorsement from Shanahan who - regardless of his failings - is still seen as a QB guru by the league elites. If Shanny likes him, he will be able to write his own ticket and I'm betting Cousins knows this or will soon enough. The more I think about it, the more I like it. Barring an epic fail by both these guys, we are set at the QB position for the foreseeable future and can really focus on building from the center out (i.e. - filling in lineman, finding a playmaker or two) in the upcoming years. __________________ My Little Pony: Friendship is magic? or ... a repressive matriarchal society where individuals' roles are defined by their immutable physical characteristics and governance is reserved for those who demonstrate the genetic purity of the pony master race?

04-30-2012, 04:26 PM	#174
warriorzpath The Starter Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,394	Re: Kirk Cousins pick 4.7 ... like I said - Grossman's pass progressions are the worst by a veteran in the league. Whatever you want to call it - insight, approach, execution. He just doesn't do it well, whether or not he knows them are irrelevant -- apparently -- by his results on the field.

04-30-2012, 04:30 PM	#177
NC_Skins Franchise Player Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 8,256	Re: Kirk Cousins pick 4.7 Cousins Pick A Mistake For Redskins? - ESPN Video - ESPN I thought Skip Bayless had reached the pinnacle of stupidity, but I was wrong after viewing this segment. Guy simply needs to be fired. Bringing up race? Really? He's pretty much calling the Redskins fans racists(and Shanahan). I used to think that the media only gave us shit because we were horrible, so now that we've changed everything, they are still on our nuts. At this point, it won't matter if we start winning Super Bowls because they are going to continue hatting. It's sad Eric Mangini has to put him in place. /facepalm I now remember why I don't watch those dumbass shows. __________________ "So let me get this straight. We have the event of the year on TV with millions watching around the world... and people want a punt, pass, and kick competition to be the halftime entertainment?? Folks, don't quit your day jobs."- Matty

04-30-2012, 04:47 PM	#179
SmootSmack Mad Men Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 43,097	Re: Kirk Cousins pick 4.7 I admittedly was stunned at how "normal Eric Mangini is. I hated, hated, hated, when ESPN hired him. But he's arguably been one of the better additions in a while, in my opinion. Skip's argument was ridiculous __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

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