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Old 05-01-2012, 02:04 AM   #196
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insight, approach and execution are all different
In the post I responded to you said insight its not irrelevant when that was your intial statement if you want to change the words you chose then you're changing the discussion

All the of it is the same -- given the strengths of Cousins in the words of some of the NFL experts, he should contribute in making the redskins better than it has been whether it is in the meetings or backing up RGIII. Cousins should be able to contribute to the Redskins in ways that Rex Grossman can never do; let's just say I hope Cousins will be able to or he was a mistake to draft.

Try twisting the words in those last 2 sentences.

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Old 05-01-2012, 02:06 AM   #197
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Not a huge fan of the pick. Im fine with going out and getting a quality backup but a 4th round pick is a lot to spend on someone who's value to us is all based on uncertainties. He might see the field IF RGIII gets hurt. He might bring us some good draft picks in a trade IF he gets on the field and plays well, and thats only IF RGIII gets hurt. I'd have rather filled a need in the 4th, lord knows we have many, and waited til the end of the draft to pick up a QB. Would've loved to have taken a late round flyer on Kellen Moore or Chase Keenum and if they didn't work out, then take a QB next year. Kirk Cousins doesn't seem all that special to me that it was necessary we spend our 4th on him. Passing on Kirk wouldn't have hurt RGIII's confidence either.
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Old 05-01-2012, 06:20 AM   #198
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I've heard someone say that Cousins is more pro ready than Robert Griffin. To me it doesn't matter. I think the draft selection of Cousins was a good and decent one. Does anybody remember what the level of QB was like in 2011 for the Washington Redskins? Rex Grossman was signed to a 1 year deal. That said, RG3 is taken with the 2nd overall pick in the NFL draft because the quarterback play left much to be desired last season. Kirk Cousins was projected to be a second round draft choice. Why was he still there by the early fourth round? No one ever knows how an NFL draft will play out. With a prospect the level of Cousins, you can't pass on him if he's available. So, Mike Shanahan and Bruce Allen decided it was in the best interest of the Redskins to take him. Good bye and good riddance, John Beck.

The draft selection of Cousins in the early 4th round was the right decision for the Redskins.
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Old 05-01-2012, 08:31 AM   #199
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Not a huge fan of the pick. Im fine with going out and getting a quality backup but a 4th round pick is a lot to spend on someone who's value to us is all based on uncertainties.

Most 4th round picks are lucky as hell to make the squad so how is a 4th round pick "a lot to spend on someone"?
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Old 05-01-2012, 09:14 AM   #200
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I'm so confused by this so called controversy.

The redskins when the off season began had no long-term solution to QB at any of the 3 spots. Rex couldn't start, Beck couldn't be a back up and there really wasn't a No. 3 last year. So that's two QBs that have to be found this year to be a solution.

The ideal QB situation is your starter, veteran and then young development player. It's clear that's exactly what they got with RGIII, Rex and Cousins.

So now, if RGIII has some sort of injury, we aren't stuck thinking about just Rex. Do you guys want Rex as your long-term back up? They have someone who is athletic, who was rated very highly (so it was a steal), someone who fits the system, stuck with a BPA mentality... it goes on and on.

There is no controversy. They drafted 3 O-linemen and 2 secondary players -- they still met their needs with at least adding some talent.
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Old 05-01-2012, 09:25 AM   #201
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I could careless if Cousins or RGIII was our Super Bowl MVP. Let the best man win.
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Not a huge fan of the pick. Im fine with going out and getting a quality backup but a 4th round pick is a lot to spend on someone who's value to us is all based on uncertainties. He might see the field IF RGIII gets hurt. He might bring us some good draft picks in a trade IF he gets on the field and plays well, and thats only IF RGIII gets hurt. I'd have rather filled a need in the 4th, lord knows we have many, and waited til the end of the draft to pick up a QB. Would've loved to have taken a late round flyer on Kellen Moore or Chase Keenum and if they didn't work out, then take a QB next year. Kirk Cousins doesn't seem all that special to me that it was necessary we spend our 4th on him. Passing on Kirk wouldn't have hurt RGIII's confidence either.
No fourth round pick should be drafted with the expectation of filling a need anywhere, especially as a starter. A 4th round pick is basically a sleeper pick from the perspective of the FO drafting the player. They are not picked for immediate impact. They will compete for a depth spot, and hopefully develop into something 1 or 2 years later.
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Old 05-01-2012, 02:59 PM   #203
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No fourth round pick should be drafted with the expectation of filling a need anywhere, especially as a starter. A 4th round pick is basically a sleeper pick from the perspective of the FO drafting the player. They are not picked for immediate impact. They will compete for a depth spot, and hopefully develop into something 1 or 2 years later.
I'd agree with that but finding depth at QB could have been done differently, especially when depth at other positions is more pressing. Guys like Bobby Massie and Joe Adams could have developed into big contributors, where as Kirk may never take a snap if RGIII pans out like we'd imagine. I'd just hate to see us miss out on a good player because we drafted an insurance plan.
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Old 05-01-2012, 03:05 PM   #204
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I'm so confused by this so called controversy.

The redskins when the off season began had no long-term solution to QB at any of the 3 spots. Rex couldn't start, Beck couldn't be a back up and there really wasn't a No. 3 last year. So that's two QBs that have to be found this year to be a solution.

The ideal QB situation is your starter, veteran and then young development player. It's clear that's exactly what they got with RGIII, Rex and Cousins.

So now, if RGIII has some sort of injury, we aren't stuck thinking about just Rex. Do you guys want Rex as your long-term back up? They have someone who is athletic, who was rated very highly (so it was a steal), someone who fits the system, stuck with a BPA mentality... it goes on and on.

There is no controversy. They drafted 3 O-linemen and 2 secondary players -- they still met their needs with at least adding some talent.
The two secondary players came in the second round though. I could argue our best secondary pick up was an UDFA. The only problem i have is that the Cousins pick is that we could've used that pick to fill our needs more effectively, not the fact that it was Cousins himself. I'm fine with the QB situation now, I'm actually happy with it. I just wish we would've taken a safety, corner, or lineman in the 4th and a young development QB in the 7th.
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I'd agree with that but finding depth at QB could have been done differently, especially when depth at other positions is more pressing. Guys like Bobby Massie and Joe Adams could have developed into big contributors, where as Kirk may never take a snap if RGIII pans out like we'd imagine. I'd just hate to see us miss out on a good player because we drafted an insurance plan.
Yeah, according to YOUR scouting reports. My guess is the other teams reports didn't quite jive with yours.
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Yeah, according to YOUR scouting reports. My guess is the other teams reports didn't quite jive with yours.
I agree. Bobby Massie was touted as a 2nd or 3rd round talent but fell well short of that... Probably for a reason. Also, from everything that I read, Massie wasn't a ZBS type tackle. The fact that we didn't take Sanders is more surprising to me, but the coaching staff probably didn't think too highly of him. After all, they had a week to scout him in the senior bowl and apparently weren't that enamored.
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Old 05-01-2012, 04:51 PM   #207
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Yeah, according to YOUR scouting reports. My guess is the other teams reports didn't quite jive with yours.
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Old 05-01-2012, 05:13 PM   #208
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Re: Kirk Cousins pick 4.7

Personally, I'm 50/50 on this pick and pretty much agree with lots from both sides. One idea that I think is totally absurd is the opinion that the Skins should have drafted a "bad" QB to groom as backup? Makes no sense... you gotta get the best players on the team as possible. And its not like anybody was saying Cousins is the next Aaron Rodgers.

While I like the pick to have hopefully two really good QBs who are YOUNG and not passed their prime like McNabb was, I might have preferred like many here that they would have drafted where there was more need and then get another QB in the later rounds or next year.

BTW... Skip Bayless is NOT an idiot and First Take is an excellent program for those who actually watch the whole show and not just short video clips. However, Skip was definitely wrong on this and made a big deal out of nothing imo. And to bring in the race card where there is none with this issue was really ridiculous as both Mangini and Stephen A. Smith told him.
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Old 05-01-2012, 05:21 PM   #209
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First Take has become a shell of what it once was. Too much talent is being wasted there and I know there's a lot of frustration

As for Cousins, when are we getting the avatar???!!!!
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Most 4th round picks are lucky as hell to make the squad so how is a 4th round pick "a lot to spend on someone"?
A 4th rounder becomes "a lot to spend" when you have a rookie quarterback (or two) to go along with no first round picks in the next two drafts
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