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Old 05-02-2012, 10:35 AM   #241
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This is my take in the Cousins pick....
He was the original backup plan if we could not trade up to get RGIII and it was not expected for him to fall to the 4th round. BA says to Shanny.." Cousins is still on the board do you want to grab him!?" Shanny- " yes! I want to wipe the cupboard clear and start with fresh new minds, 2 intelligent QBs learning the system at the same time and it will just fuel RGIII to go 110%!" BA - " he can either be nice insurance in case RGIII goes down and he could very well turn into trade bait....let's get him!" Shanny- " cue the QB controversy card!" DS- " yeah, meanwhile we have a parade going for RGIII and 20,000 waiting for him at FedEx field.....please..... our 2 1st rounders say otherwise." BA- " 100 bucks say if the Pats made this move ESPN would be kissing their butt!"
Your right. I don't understand all the negativity. The media laughed at the Skins last year for having Grossman and Beck as the teams QB's. Now the team goes out and picks up one of the best out of this yrs draft and picks up another young talented QB that played in a pro style in college to be back up or as an insurance policy and the media acts confused and laughs at the Skins. WTF?

Cousins was projected to go in the 2nd round. With all the talent in other positions he fell to the 4th round. That would be considered a steal for any other team.... except the Redskins. Why?

Atleast we now have to talented QB's for the future and if nothing else hopefully one pans out well. Most expectedly RG3 but for what ever reason he doesn't there is Cousins.

No complaints here.
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Old 05-02-2012, 10:36 AM   #242
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So, in everyone's opinion, how does preseason work? Does Grossman see any snaps, or is it Griffin 2-3 quarters, Cousins the rest? Or does Grossman act as a buffer between the two?
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Old 05-02-2012, 10:38 AM   #243
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Those ripping the Skins for wanting to have good depth at QB probably also ripped the Colts and Bears last year for not having good depth at QB. This whole thing is absurd.
#1 Rippers.... Chad and Lavar. I turned on the radio yesterday around 3:30 and they again were ripping the Skins for doing this, then had a guest on whom they tried to say was just as confused and had the same oppinion.... hello, they invited him on their show of course he will have the same oppinion. They made sure of that.

Would it have been ok if we took Tannehill and in the 4th picked up Cousins? would the media have been more positive of that move? Our two guys will push each other. Cousins is a video hound so he will look at every aspect of what makes the other teams defense weak and hopefully that rubs off on RG3 if he doesn't already have that in him.
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Old 05-02-2012, 10:39 AM   #244
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Anybody tell you that drafted bad... If, If, if a draft analyst say I missed on a pick, and y'all hear it, then that's that.

I mean, I might have missed one pick this year but if, if somebody say he doesn't draft right in the 4th round, it could be one pick. Out of all the picks this year, that's enough... that's enough to get a whole lot started. I told Coach Shanahan that you don't have to give the people of D.C. a reason to think about trading RGIII or anything like that. If you trade for somebody, you trade them to make the team better...simple as that. I'm cool with that. I'm all about that. The people in D.C. deserve to have a winner. It's simple as that. It goes further than that ...


If I can't draft a backup QB, I can't draft one. If my starter gets hurt, he's hurt. I mean ... simple as that. It aint about that... I mean its... Its not about that... At all. You know what I'm saying I mean...

But its...its easy ... to, to talk about... It's easy to sum it up when you're just talking about 4th round pick. We're sitting in here, and I'm supposed to be the General Manager, and we in here talking about a 4th round pick. I mean, listen, we're talking about 4th round pick, not a 1st rounder, not a 2nd rounder, not even a 3rd rounder, we talking about a 4th round pick. Not a 1st!! Not, not ... Not the 1st rounder that I go out there and trade a ton of picks for. Not the 1st rounder, but we're talking about 4th rounders, man. I mean, how silly is that? ...
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Old 05-02-2012, 10:40 AM   #245
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So, in everyone's opinion, how does preseason work? Does Grossman see any snaps, or is it Griffin 2-3 quarters, Cousins the rest? Or does Grossman act as a buffer between the two?
Jonathan Crompton starts all 16 quarters

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Grossman starts 1st game, gets in about two series

Griffin starts 2nd game, gets in about a quarter and a half

Griffin starts 3rd game, gets in 3 quarters

Cousins starts 4th game, gets in the first half
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Old 05-02-2012, 10:43 AM   #246
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So, in everyone's opinion, how does preseason work? Does Grossman see any snaps, or is it Griffin 2-3 quarters, Cousins the rest? Or does Grossman act as a buffer between the two?
Who knows what the team will do but I'd imagine RG3 will get most of the snaps. Grossman and Cousins will split the remaining.

Preseason games I'd imagine the first game each get a quarter and or a quarter and a half. The second game RG3 gets maybe a half to help learn the offense the other two get a quarter. The third game the same. The last game I'd imagine RG3 gets a quarter maybe quarter and a half then then Cousins probably would finish the game. They know what they got in RG1 and he knows the system already. So I'd imagine RG3 and Cousins would get most of the playing time so they can learn and the coaches can see what they can do.
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So, in everyone's opinion, how does preseason work? Does Grossman see any snaps, or is it Griffin 2-3 quarters, Cousins the rest? Or does Grossman act as a buffer between the two?
Definitely think it's wise to keep Grossman as the #2 this year as that buffer.
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Old 05-02-2012, 01:51 PM   #248
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Re: Kirk Cousins pick 4.7

Stephen A Smith just told the truth on PTI about this issue
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Stephen A Smith just told the truth on PTI about this issue
Was he answering the third question?!?!
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Was he answering the third question?!?!
Well you know how third questions go...... he'd be wise to avoid it. But..... what do I know.
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Old 05-02-2012, 03:17 PM   #251
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Waste of a pick but the likely hood of your 4th round pick being a significant starter is low. But there isn't any question who the starter is in Shanahan's mind. he is tied to RG3 and not to Cousins. Cousins isn't going to push RG3. RG3 knows he has at least 3 years as a starter no matter who his back up is.
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Stephen A Smith just told the truth on PTI about this issue
That solves it! Every question I've ever had has just been answered! Mind = blown.
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Old 05-02-2012, 03:53 PM   #253
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Anybody tell you that drafted bad... If, If, if a draft analyst say I missed on a pick, and y'all hear it, then that's that.

I mean, I might have missed one pick this year but if, if somebody say he doesn't draft right in the 4th round, it could be one pick. Out of all the picks this year, that's enough... that's enough to get a whole lot started. I told Coach Shanahan that you don't have to give the people of D.C. a reason to think about trading RGIII or anything like that. If you trade for somebody, you trade them to make the team better...simple as that. I'm cool with that. I'm all about that. The people in D.C. deserve to have a winner. It's simple as that. It goes further than that ...


If I can't draft a backup QB, I can't draft one. If my starter gets hurt, he's hurt. I mean ... simple as that. It aint about that... I mean its... Its not about that... At all. You know what I'm saying I mean...

But its...its easy ... to, to talk about... It's easy to sum it up when you're just talking about 4th round pick. We're sitting in here, and I'm supposed to be the General Manager, and we in here talking about a 4th round pick. I mean, listen, we're talking about 4th round pick, not a 1st rounder, not a 2nd rounder, not even a 3rd rounder, we talking about a 4th round pick. Not a 1st!! Not, not ... Not the 1st rounder that I go out there and trade a ton of picks for. Not the 1st rounder, but we're talking about 4th rounders, man. I mean, how silly is that? ...
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Stephen A Smith just told the truth on PTI about this issue
would you mind sharing what he said? (or is it what ncskins posted)

31 other teams had a chance to pick him anywhere between 2 and 4 times before we picked him up and they didnt. he's a bloody fourth round pick for goodness sake. Rex is a good mentor/#3 but hes a guy you NEVER want to see step onto the field. Backup QB was a HUGE need for this team. The 4th round is the PERFECT place to draft a BACKUP QUARTERBACK.

The media keeps saying we had so many other needs and suggest we should have gone OL or DB with that pick. Thats the part of the media criticism that bothers me the most. There is not a single other player we could have picked up at that point that would project to be an immediate starter. ANYONE we could have picked would probalby not see the field as a starter until 2013 or 2014. I just want someone to ask the media critics this:

Whats more important - A backup cornerback/linebacker/OL or a backup quarterback?

Which would hurt the team more - Josh wilson going down and Kevin Barnes filling in or RGIII going down and Grossman filling in?

What backup cornerback/linebacker/OL is better at their position than Cousins is at his?

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Old 05-02-2012, 09:52 PM   #255
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According to Graziano, 14 teams started the same QB all season last year. That means there is a 67% chance our backup sees action over one year, and virtual certainty that our backup will start multiple games over the next 10-15 years. Add to that a QB that can run / take hits, and one that has already missed a year with an injury.. I think this was a great move.

In comparison, our 4th round picks for the past ~2 decades:
2011 - 4th - Roy Helu RB
2010 - 4th - Perry Riley LB
2008 - 4th - Justin Tryon CB
2005 - 4th - Manuel White FB
2001 - 4th - Sage Rosenfelds QB
2000 - 4th - Michael Moore G
1999 - 4th - Nate Stimson LB
1998 - 4th - Shawn Barber LB
1997 - 4th - Albert Connel WR


For the past 15 years, 3 out of 8 fourth round picks ended up being... average. Riley and Helu could do more, but for now we should say they're passable / average. I'd say Cousins is a MUCH safer pick in a position of need. With near certainty of playing multiple games over the next decade, a good backup QB makes the difference between winning/losing, and competing when the unthinkable happens (think TJ Yates, Cassel @ NE, Flynn).

And I agree completely that if New England, the Steelers or Ravens make this pick, everyone would be saying it was pure genius. But to be fair - we haven't done much over the past 20 years to deserve any credit -- yet. RG3 and Shanahan hopefully will change our reputation so our moves won't be questioned in the future..
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