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Old 05-04-2012, 01:48 PM   #151
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Last year Chase played: SI.com Honorable Mention All-American first-team All-ACC started all 12 games finished year No. 2 in the ACC and No. 7 nationally with six INTs twice during season was named honorable mention for the Jim Thorpe Defensive Back of the Week honor.

He is that good.
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Old 05-04-2012, 01:51 PM   #152
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Last year Chase played: SI.com Honorable Mention All-American first-team All-ACC started all 12 games finished year No. 2 in the ACC and No. 7 nationally with six INTs twice during season was named honorable mention for the Jim Thorpe Defensive Back of the Week honor.

He is that good.
And we got him for basically nothing that's a WIN.
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Old 05-04-2012, 02:09 PM   #153
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Where are you getting this from?
probably from the fact that he was not drafted after someone like bruce carter got drafted in the 2nd round
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Old 05-04-2012, 02:14 PM   #154
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You can tell us that but you would be blatantly, utterly, incontrovertibly wrong. Unless you're talking about 2nd and 3rd rounders drafted in before 2002.

2011: 31 of 31 2nd rounders were on the roster at the end of 2011.
30 of 32 3rd rounders were on the roster at the end of 2011.

2010: 29 of 32 2nd rounders were on the roster at the end of 2011.
23 of 33 3rd rounders were on the roster at the end of 2011.

2009: 29 of 32 2nd rounders were on the roster at the end of 2011.
27 of 35 3rd rounders were on the roster at the end of 2011.

2008: 26 of 31 2nd rounders were on the roster at the end of 2011.
27 of 35 3rd rounders were on the roster at the end of 2011.

2007: 27 of 32 2nd rounders were on the roster at the end of 2011.
15 of 34 3rd rounders were on the roster at the end of 2011.

2006: 26 of 32 2nd rounders were on the roster at the end of 2011.
17 of 33 3rd rounders were on the roster at the end of 2011.

NFL Draft History and AFL Drafts - Pro-Football-Reference.com

I stopped b/c, even from drafts six years ago, two thirds of the players drafted in the 2nd and 3rd were still in the league at the end of last year. Of the 2nd and 3rd rounders drafted four years ago, more than 80% were still in the league at the end of 2011.

If Minnifield was a 2nd or 3rd round talent knocked out of the draft due to injury concerns (1) it wouldn't be the first time that had happened only to have the player come back and be a solid contributor; and (2) if we get 2nd or 3rd round production from Minnifield we have a pretty good shot at many serviciable years.

Sorry, the inanity of your 80% assertion was just to blatant to let pass.
Damn ya got me! I was just guesstimating, wow I'm surprised by those numbers, more so from 2008 and backward.

As for those asking about where I heard rumors of Minnifield. Profootballweekly grades out players who are rising and falling. They said that multiple scouts were trying "to like minnifield, because of his NFL bloodlines, but flat out just don't like him--" One scout they talked to said he wouldn't touch him until the "7th atleast"

On twitter Matt Miller of nfldraftscout.com had Minnifield out of the draft, and said he was "one of the most overrated players in the draft.

Someone else I read (I want to say it was a foxsports or scout.com guy not sure though) said something along the lines of "I have never had a guy rated so highly one year and then so low the next." (I'm not 100% sure if this article or post came out before or after his surgery.)


So yeah I heard a reasonable amount to form that opinion.

I'm glad we didn't draft him, and like you all say I'm glad we signed him for nothing and its a win win for us. But I'm just saying theres a reason guys go undrafted, injury or not, because if a team is high on a player and that player gets injured they'll get him (Cardinals with Obrien Schofield with his torn ACL; Eagles with Jack/Jake Iwgegawnu the CB from Wisconsin who tore his ACL; Lions with Broyles and his torn ACL). And quiet simply this guy was rated as a 2-4th rounder like the guys above were. Difference is that those guys went in those rounds still, and he didn't go in any round. We need CB's and I hope he's great to help out our team, but all I'm saying is don't expect me to put "Minnifield" down on my final 53 man roster anytime soon.
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Old 05-04-2012, 02:16 PM   #155
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^ yeah I know, what I'm saying is that guys can get injured and if teams like them or want to take a chance on them they'll still go get them. He just wasn't that good before the injury. A lot of teams had him graded low before his injury, some think he was overrated.
It all depends on the injury. Microfracture surgery, which is what Minnifield had, leads to problematic statistical chances of a full healing. It is this element of heavy risk - not Minnifield's All-ACC play - that left him undrafted.
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Old 05-04-2012, 03:09 PM   #156
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As for those asking about where I heard rumors of Minnifield. Profootballweekly grades out players who are rising and falling. They said that multiple scouts were trying "to like minnifield, because of his NFL bloodlines, but flat out just don't like him--" One scout they talked to said he wouldn't touch him until the "7th atleast"

On twitter Matt Miller of nfldraftscout.com had Minnifield out of the draft, and said he was "one of the most overrated players in the draft.

Someone else I read (I want to say it was a foxsports or scout.com guy not sure though) said something along the lines of "I have never had a guy rated so highly one year and then so low the next." (I'm not 100% sure if this article or post came out before or after his surgery.)


So yeah I heard a reasonable amount to form that opinion.
So what you "heard" was public information from 2nd and 3rd hand sources saying that some unnamed scouts rated him poorly injury or no. Fine. To me, it seemed to come across as you had some inside knowledge from several scouts with whom you had personally spoken.

Minnifield looks like a good UFDA signing. A talented guy who likely would have been drafted if the injury had not occurred. As with you, b/c of the injury concerns, glad we didn't spend a pick on him. At the same time, I am encouraged both by the various reports on the surgery performed and his production in the college ranks.
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Old 05-04-2012, 03:52 PM   #157
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The breakdown of the roster was five first year players, nine drafted rookies, 12 undrafted college free agents, and 36 tryouts.
I want to know who the 36 try outs are. We can guess the 5 first yr players, we can guess the 9 drafted Rookies, and we have the list of the 12 UDFA's, who the hell are the 36 try outs? I know of 1.... Keith Nichol WR as has been mentioned he was invited.
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Old 05-04-2012, 03:59 PM   #158
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you can tell us that but you would be blatantly, utterly, incontrovertibly wrong. Unless you're talking about 2nd and 3rd rounders drafted in before 2002.

2011: 31 of 31 2nd rounders were on the roster at the end of 2011.
30 of 32 3rd rounders were on the roster at the end of 2011.

2010: 29 of 32 2nd rounders were on the roster at the end of 2011.
23 of 33 3rd rounders were on the roster at the end of 2011.

2009: 29 of 32 2nd rounders were on the roster at the end of 2011.
27 of 35 3rd rounders were on the roster at the end of 2011.

2008: 26 of 31 2nd rounders were on the roster at the end of 2011.
27 of 35 3rd rounders were on the roster at the end of 2011.

2007: 27 of 32 2nd rounders were on the roster at the end of 2011.
15 of 34 3rd rounders were on the roster at the end of 2011.

2006: 26 of 32 2nd rounders were on the roster at the end of 2011.
17 of 33 3rd rounders were on the roster at the end of 2011.

nfl draft history and afl drafts - pro-football-reference.com

i stopped b/c, even from drafts six years ago, two thirds of the players drafted in the 2nd and 3rd were still in the league at the end of last year. Of the 2nd and 3rd rounders drafted four years ago, more than 80% were still in the league at the end of 2011.

If minnifield was a 2nd or 3rd round talent knocked out of the draft due to injury concerns (1) it wouldn't be the first time that had happened only to have the player come back and be a solid contributor; and (2) if we get 2nd or 3rd round production from minnifield we have a pretty good shot at many serviciable years.

Sorry, the inanity of your 80% assertion was just to blatant to let pass.
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Old 05-04-2012, 04:02 PM   #159
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I'll tell you who's going to be a straight up baller...Michael Shaw...mark it down, he's going to be starting by week 3 for the Redskins. I guarantee it!!....oh wait...
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Old 05-04-2012, 04:09 PM   #160
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Where are you getting this from?
Maybe he meant 80% of the players drafted named Colt are out of the league.

Colt McCoy - in
Colt Brennan - out
Colt Anderson - out
Jeff Colter - out
George Colton - out


That's 80%.

According to pro-football-reference.com, that's the whole list.
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Old 05-04-2012, 04:10 PM   #161
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I want to know who the 36 try outs are. We can guess the 5 first yr players, we can guess the 9 drafted Rookies, and we have the list of the 12 UDFA's, who the hell are the 36 try outs? I know of 1.... Keith Nichol WR as has been mentioned he was invited.
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Those are a few
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You mean Michigan State, this is the dude that caught the hail mary against Wisconsin
Thanks for bringing that up again.

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Old 05-04-2012, 04:12 PM   #163
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Wow. Who knew we had a Badger here!?
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Wow. Who knew we had a Badger here!?
Just a noob. But I love the forum and have tried and will continue to try to bring as much Big 10 (11, 12) insight as I can.
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Maybe he meant 80% of the players drafted named Colt are out of the league.

Colt McCoy - in
Colt Brennan - out
Colt Anderson - out
Jeff Colter - out
George Colton - out


That's 80%.

According to pro-football-reference.com, that's the whole list.
oh that's rich
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