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Old 05-02-2012, 03:14 PM   #31
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All depends on RG3. If he becomes a franchise guy A just cause of the value that can have on a franchise for 10-15 years. I don't really see any other of the draft picks becoming starters, just for depth and when their positions get injured. Only time will tell.
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I think at least one OL from this draft will be starting fairly soon this year. Kory L. may be slow in coming back giving one of these young pups a chance to step up.
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Old 05-04-2012, 01:12 PM   #33
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Old 05-04-2012, 01:58 PM   #34
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I give this draft a solid B+.

RGlll is an A. Enough said.
LeRibeus is a B-. Not the reach many think as at least 2 other teams reportedly had a 3rd round grade on him. He fits the ZBS, and has versatility.
Cousins is a B. Team needs a solid backup for the future, and Kirk was best player on the board.
Robinson is a B-. Solid pick filling a need.
Gettis is a B+. Perfect zone fit, versatile, picked in the appropriate spot.
Morris is a C. Probably a reach, but fits the system.
Compton is an A. Stong value pick, fills a need, and has versatility.
Crawford is a B-. Need position, has good upside, it's the 7th rd.
Bernstine is also a B-. Another need position io the 7th with upside.

I don't see a bad pick in the bunch, perhaps a few reaches that fill needs, but they nailed down the all important Qb spot and strengthened O-line depth. All players picked also have very good intangibles, good to great character traits, and seem to fit perfectly with the systems being run. I think it will be Mike Shanahan's best draft ever.
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Mel Kiper re-graded the 2012 draft here
it's part of ESPN's In area so the link may be useless, but here is the relevant NFC East info:
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New York Giants

Round Pick Position Player College
(1) 32 RB David Wilson Virginia Tech
(2) 63 WR Rueben Randle LSU
(3) 94 CB Jayron Hosley Virginia Tech
(4) 127 TE Adrien Robinson Cincinnati
(4) 131 T Brandon Mosley Auburn
(6) 201 T Matt McCants UAB
(7) 239 DT Markus Kuhn North Carolina State

Post-draft grade: C+

Summary: In my grades after the draft I wrote, "I had running back as the top need for the Giants, and they got one with their first pick. David Wilson should be productive, but I think they really would have preferred Doug Martin. I might have gone with an O-lineman there, but the Giants have capably kept things patched up for a couple years, and will have to continue to do so, because they didn't get a tackle until the fourth round." Well, I think it's still fair to say they might have preferred Martin, who had a huge season for the Bucs. And while the O-line was a question, in typical fashion, the coaching staff kept it patched together. So, was Wilson the best pick? Despite too much time spent in the Tom Coughlin doghouse, I think he'll prove to be a good one if healthy. He's electrifying in the return game, and given the reps in the run game, I think he'll make his mark. Rueben Randle we knew was a high-upside project in Round 2, and that's what he looked like as a rookie. The real find could be third-rounder Jayron Hosley, who led college football in INTs as a sophomore, struggled as a junior and saw his stock fall. Well, he came on down the stretch and could be a starter in 2013. There's a ton of projection left in this draft, but we may look back in a couple years and say it looks a lot better than it does today.
New grade: C+

Philadelphia Eagles

Round Pick Position Player College
(1) 12 DT Fletcher Cox Mississippi State
(2) 46 LB Mychal Kendricks California
(2) 59 DE Vinny Curry Marshall
(3) 88 QB Nick Foles Arizona
(4) 123 CB Brandon Boykin Georgia
(5) 153 T Dennis Kelly Purdue
(6) 194 WR Marvin McNutt Iowa
(6) 200 G Brandon Washington Miami (FL)
(7) 229 RB Bryce Brown Kansas State

Post-draft grade: A

Summary: The season went off the rails, but the Eagles got a lot of value out of the rookie class and should have high hopes for a number of players heading into the future. Fletcher Cox finished the season as a terror on the defensive line and is a lock to start at defensive tackle in 2013. But he needs to show more consistency. Mychal Kendricks was an immediate starter at linebacker and a good get at No. 46. If the Eagles didn't trade for DeMeco Ryans, it would have been Kendricks as the head-and-shoulders best linebacker on the roster. This season was essentially a redshirt year for Vinny Curry, who was inactive for most of the year. I noted during the draft that I thought that Brandon Boykin was a steal at No. 123 overall because he could be an early starter, and Boykin was giving Philly the best play among any of its corners by the end of the season. Bryce Brown we know is a steal, a low-mileage pickup in Round 7 who proved he can start in this league if needed. And I haven't even mentioned Nick Foles. Hey, we don't know if Foles will be the starter under Chip Kelly, but would you rather have, say, Brandon Weeden or Brock Osweiler based on what you've seen from Foles? Even as a good backup, he proved to have decent value. The big knock on this draft is the question of whether all these rookies see this much time for a better team. That's the main reason the grade dips.
New grade: B+

Dallas Cowboys

Round Pick Position Player College
(1) 6 CB Morris Claiborne LSU
(3) 81 DE Tyrone Crawford Boise State
(4) 113 LB Kyle Wilber Wake Forest
(4) 135 S Matt Johnson Eastern Washington
(5) 152 WR Danny Coale Virginia Tech
(6) 186 TE James Hanna Oklahoma
(7) 222 LB Caleb McSurdy Montana

Post-draft grade: C+

Summary: Despite getting a very good player in Morris Claiborne, this draft looks worse after a full season. You can't just say the trade up to get Claiborne at No. 6 was a brilliant move, because that's analyzing the pick in a vacuum. In terms of overall value, the Cowboys got Claiborne at the cost of a valuable second-round pick. So while the fact that Claiborne is a good one is a credit to Dallas, he also came at the cost of a pick that would likely turn into a starter. (Dallas has landed Bruce Carter, Sean Lee and Anthony Fasano in Round 2 in recent years.) And beyond Claiborne, there isn't much here. Tyrone Crawford looks like a depth addition, and Kyle Wilber isn't a future starter. The one guy you might point to is James Hannah, who caught 8 passes and showed some upside down the stretch. But overall, the draft is about Claiborne, a very good player, but one who came at a cost. I just can't say there's anything here of significance beyond that selection.
New grade: C

Washington Redskins

Round Pick Position Player College
(1) 2 QB Robert Griffin III Baylor
(3) 71 G Josh LeRibeus SMU
(4) 102 QB Kirk Cousins Michigan State
(4) 119 LB Keenan Robinson Texas
(5) 141 G Adam Gettis Iowa
(6) 173 RB Alfred Morris Florida Atlantic
(6) 193 T Tom Compton South Dakota
(7) 213 CB Richard Crawford SMU
(7) 217 CB Jordan Bernstine Iowa

Post-draft grade: C+

Summary: The season Robert Griffin III put together might be seem like reason enough to push that C+ to an A. But I think Redskins fans who really understand the draft will have a more realistic view of this. In fact, I feel just as I did when the draft concluded. At that time I wrote, "If you feel like the grade is a tough one, remember I have to factor in the extraordinary value given up to acquire Robert Griffin III. I've looked, and it's as much as we've ever seen dealt for a top-5 pick. I think RG III will be a very good player, and I think he can be pretty good right out of the gate, but he's this draft for Washington, and he came at the cost of [likely] three future starters." RG III was better than very good -- he was exceptional. But Washington gave up an extraordinary amount of draft value to land him. When you factor in his injury to finish the season, and the fact that Mike Shanahan will need to take a hard look at how his young star is used as a runner, it puts a damper on the overall evaluation. Even with the value given up for RG III, the draft should still get high marks for the pick of Kirk Cousins, a player who proved his value with a big regular-season win. And Alfred Morris turned into maybe the steal of the draft, rushing for 1,613 yards and 11 TDs. There isn't much beyond that, though Keenan Robinson could develop into a starter. Overall, a very good draft, but one that will be defined by how good RG III will be when he comes back from this setback, because he came at a price that will be evident in April both this year and next.
New grade: B+
It's too early to give a true re-grade, but I think using Griffin's cost in this one is an unfair reason to knock it. Ultimately each draft class stands alone. Basically if you knock this one, then you shouldn't knock the 2013/2014 drafts, but you know, pundits will say that our drafts were poor since we didn't have a 1st round pick- basically double dipping on the "hate". Then you add in a top QB and a top RB, plus an apparent solid backup qb and a OG that played ok at the end of the season, not sure what qualifies as an A draft then.
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Old 01-25-2013, 11:03 AM   #36
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Mel Kipper is seriously a waste of time. The guy has been wrong so much it is unreal. IF he was such a great talent evaluator some team would have paid him big bucks to come on board.

The guy is nothing more then a talking head. Back in the day when fans were not as educated he came off as a good source now that the average fan has so much access to evaluational of talent it obvious the guy is just pulling at straws.
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Old 01-25-2013, 11:37 AM   #37
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Mel Kipper is seriously a waste of time. The guy has been wrong so much it is unreal. IF he was such a great talent evaluator some team would have paid him big bucks to come on board.

The guy is nothing more then a talking head. Back in the day when fans were not as educated he came off as a good source now that the average fan has so much access to evaluational of talent it obvious the guy is just pulling at straws.
The personnel guys around the league are often wrong as well. Picking these players is a 'best guess' type situation. I think Kiper does a pretty good job. Additioanlly, don't underestimate scheme and situation, which Kiper has really no control over. I think many players that either flopped or were mediocre, could have had considerably better careers had they come into a better scheme for their skillset or a better organization for their personality.

I don't have the time or desire to spend time looking at film/etc of every college player. I like being able to understand the quick pros/cons about players, especially 2nd, 3rd, 4th round guys.
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Old 01-25-2013, 11:55 AM   #38
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Looking back it was a very solid draft overall.

Griffin and Morris were the home runs, obviously. A+ for both picks.

Cousins proved to be a shrewd pick, one that was blasted at the time but Shanahan got the last laugh on that one.

Crawford showed some flashes as a nickel and as a returner. Robinson was coming along before his injury. LeRibeus filled in and did a nice job at the end of the season. Wouldn't be surprised if he pushes hard for a starting job in camp. Compton could be in the mix too for the RT job.
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Old 01-25-2013, 02:57 PM   #39
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Mel Kipper is seriously a waste of time. The guy has been wrong so much it is unreal. IF he was such a great talent evaluator some team would have paid him big bucks to come on board.

The guy is nothing more then a talking head. Back in the day when fans were not as educated he came off as a good source now that the average fan has so much access to evaluational of talent it obvious the guy is just pulling at straws.
Mel Kiper has actually had quite a few big offers from teams
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Old 01-25-2013, 10:26 PM   #40
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Looking back it was a very solid draft overall.

Griffin and Morris were the home runs, obviously. A+ for both picks.

Cousins proved to be a shrewd pick, one that was blasted at the time but Shanahan got the last laugh on that one.

Crawford showed some flashes as a nickel and as a returner. Robinson was coming along before his injury. LeRibeus filled in and did a nice job at the end of the season. Wouldn't be surprised if he pushes hard for a starting job in camp. Compton could be in the mix too for the RT job.
Agreed. Alfred Morris IMO was the steal of the entire draft.
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Agreed. Alfred Morris IMO was the steal of the entire draft.
He had to be, 1600 yards and 13 tds is all pro stats for a rb in today's NFL
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Mel Kiper has actually had quite a few big offers from teams
Hopefully not the Redskins.
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Old 01-26-2013, 05:15 AM   #43
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Not to be biased but I would give this draft no lower than an A. You get a franchise RB and QB in the same draft?!? That deserves an A right there. Add in that we got a great backup QB and OLineman. I'd give us an A+.
and by A, he means C+.
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Hey Kiper, the Redskins made the playoffs largely on the backs of two NFL history making rookies, RGIII (highest rookie QB rating in NFL history) and Morris (2nd leading rusher in the NFL in 2012).
I remember seeing a factoid/stat on the TV screen during one of our games stating not since the 1930's or 40's has an NFL team drafted a starting QB and RB together with such on field success in their rookie years. How did you miss that mophead?.
Add to that we did not have a killer defense to compliment them.

Add rookie Crawford who took over for suspended C. Griff and impressed by taking over all kick return duties from a terribly slumping Brandon Banks. This was another one of the key rookies that made our playoff run possible.
Then add to that, the other three NFC east teams did not even make the playoffs.
Sorry Kiper we deserve at least an A-.
In your path to being a so called draft expert Mel Kiper you lost the real reason why we play the game: to make the playoffs and win Championships. Not to collect the most draft picks and be the offseason champs. Who gives a crap about not having the most draft picks if we are winning playopff team again. Don't agree with you Kiper. FU
If the Giants owner and the NFL had not incorrectly stripped us of a ton of salary cap money we would be in the big game next week.

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Old 02-18-2013, 09:47 PM   #45
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Agreed. Alfred Morris IMO was the steal of the entire draft.
As much as I hate the Seachickens, got to put Russel Wilson as the only guy ahead of Morris in the "steal" dept. this year. So far....
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