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Old 03-27-2013, 01:59 PM   #31
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Re: Thread Series: The case for/against Tyrann Mathieu

If you look at his highlight film from the first page of this thread not many of those HL are him dropping back in coverage. He is a ball hawk but I don't think guys trun the ball over near as much in the NFL.
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Old 03-27-2013, 02:08 PM   #32
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I think you misunderstood him.

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Tyrann Mathieu is undersized as a defensive back at only 5’9 and 186 lbs. His film, and his poor showing at the combine in strength testing showed his inability to match large receivers in their physicality.

Sounds like he is saying his size and strength are question marks.

In 2011, Tennessee Tech’s Da’Rick Rogers (6’2, 217lb) basically carried Mathieu fifteen yards on his back following initial contact, and only went down when Brandon Taylor saved the day with the assist.

At 5'9" and 186 LBS guy sounds like Brandon Banks honestly.
Tim Jennings was my first thought
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Old 03-27-2013, 02:40 PM   #33
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We talk about Tyrann's size like the skins aren't currently bringing in a 5'9" 180 Antoine Winfield in to visit. SMH, Not every corner is going to be the size of Richard Sherman, nor do they have to be.

Josh Wilson is the same height as Mathieu and only 2 pounds heavier. It not the size of the dog in the NFL, but the fight in the dog and Tyrann has alot of fight.

Also I wouldn't base bringing him in off the fact that a WR carried him into theendzone on one play. That is one great play by Da’Rick Rogers. If we thought like that Laron Landry wouldn't be an enforcer as a safety because he got ran over by Brandon Jacobs once. The cornerback position is about instincts more than any other position on the field. That is why i would not hessitate in getting him in the third on draft day.


We don't face Megatron every sunday, we may not face him every 2-4 years, so if ur looking for a megatron beater, that is silly.
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Old 03-27-2013, 02:44 PM   #34
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We talk about Tyrann's size like the skins aren't currently bringing in a 5'9" 180 Antoine Winfield in to visit. SMH, Not every corner is going to be the size of Richard Sherman, nor do they have to be.

Josh Wilson is the same height as Mathieu and only 2 pounds heavier. It not the size of the dog in the NFL, but the fight in the dog and Tyrann has alot of fight.

Also I wouldn't based him being undersized off the fact a WR carried him into the endzone on one play. That is one great play by Da’Rick Rogers. We don't face Megatron every sunday, we may not face him every 2-4 years, so if ur looking for a megatron beater, that is silly.
Those are good points.

IMO his size, off field red flags and lack of college football experience makes him a no pick or a 5th through 7th round pick. There is better talent out there.
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Tyrann Mathieu is a second-round talent; three potential NFL fits - NFL.com
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Old 03-27-2013, 05:12 PM   #36
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**** no. I'm absolutely tired of knuckle heads on this team. We have lead the league in suspensions and penalties the past year or so. No more. Time to do better and this guy isn't it.
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He is a talented football player that is undersized. However judging the type of player the redskins have been drafting lately, team captains, locker room leaders, on the field leaders, this guy does not fit that recent trend. So on that point alone I do not see the Redskins drafting this troubled player unless he drops to the fourth round or below and that is not going to happen.
Bottom line: we have to many needs and this draft is to deep to be taking a chance on a player with a troubled past.
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His size shouldn't be an issue, it's whether he is meant to play safety or corner, and if his head is on straight.
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He is a talented football player that is undersized. However judging the type of player the redskins have been drafting lately, team captains, locker room leaders, on the field leaders, this guy does not fit that recent trend. So on that point alone I do not see the Redskins drafting this troubled player unless he drops to the fourth round or below and that is not going to happen.
Bottom line: we have to many needs and this draft is to deep to be taking a chance on a player with a troubled past.
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Mathieu is pretty much a no-brainer to me if he's still available in the third round.
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I'm rolling with whatever the FO thinks, but if he's there in the 4th then make that phone call. We had Banks on the team for 2 years and IMO he did nothing at least this guy plays corner and ST.
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Third or Fourth Round, Like Mike Mayock said from NFL Network, Redskins should not take him until the end of the third or risk taking him in the fourth.

Great instincts, even though I do not see him as a safety because I think he maxed out his frame at 186 and if he tries to build more muscle he won't have much flexibility, just be a worst Laron Landry.

But as your 3rd or 4th corner/punt returner, he is worth a late 3rd/4th round pick. I wouldn't trust him to cover Victor Cruz one on one, feel like he would beat him pretty often, like Tavon Austin, The entire Alabama receiving core, and Rogers did. But if the Redskins would be willing to play more zone, he would do well.

Like many of said, its not necessarily that he can play any position, its more of the fact that he really does not have a position, not good enough in man or has the size to play on the outside, not big enough to play safety consistently and there was a reason LSU rarely used him to cover deep parts of the field. Great playmaker but has huge weaknesses that a defense coordinator would have to build around.

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Those are good points.

IMO his size, off field red flags and lack of college football experience makes him a no pick or a 5th through 7th round pick. There is better talent out there.
I wouldn't say he has a lack of college football experience, and I have been saying since his Sophomore year, I will not hesitate to draft him in the 2nd, 3rd, whenever. If he is our guy or the guy Shanny wants better a round "too" early than a pick too late.
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You simply can't teach the skills that Mathieu has. He almost reminds me of a smaller #21. The guy looks like he was born to play football. I'd love to see this kid in burgundy and gold and become a star.
I didn't want to be the first to throw these two in the same breath. I think he plays at the same emotional level that Sean did. I would like to have him at the right time in the draft. I think the 3rd is too risky, but we need to look at's whats on the board at that time. What's the downside? We burn this years 3rd rounder, sign him cheap for 2 years and see what happens.
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"Debunking the Myth that is the Honey Badger" -Why Tyrann Mathieu Won't Work for the Redskins

Interesting argument against Mathieu
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