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Draft wrap-up 2013

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View Poll Results: Your initial 2013 draft grade for the Skins:
A 24 18.18%
B 92 69.70%
C 15 11.36%
D 1 0.76%
F 0 0%
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Old 05-02-2013, 12:55 PM   #211
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You don't have to have glaring needs to add players to your football team. Look at Seattle signing Winfield, look at Denver adding Welker. I would not be surprised at all if the TE or one of the RB's we took turns into the best player for us from this draft. Just because we don't need big bodies right now doesn't mean we shouldn't draft them. On the contrary. We should draft them every year without fail.

The areas that I would have addressed this offseason were OL, DL, LB and DB. We got some DB's, lost Lorenzo Alexander and added one, yes that's one, linebacker in the draft. Pretty much every team in the league added players to their front sevens and offensive lines and we stood pat. In my eyes, that's a problem.

It's not what I would have done with limited resources. My plan would have been to focus on winning the trenches now that we have a QB. I would have been fine with it if we added more linebackers than we did. Any offseason that sees no depth or talent added to OL, DL and LB is a failure in my book. The draft contributed to that.

Yeah, we added some nice players too. And we needed those DB's badly.

So it's a C, not a D or an F.
Ten, I really like your arguement and believe teams have to be built the same way, and I think Shanny agrees with you.

If you look at how he built the team, his plan addressed Oline and DLine first, now he is filling in the rest. Gotta remember how bad we were from a talent standpoint when he took over the team. Dline is the first area he really went after.

I also believe Shanny stuck by his best player available mantra this draft. Rambo, Reed, Jenkins, Thomas picks I think prove that.

Who did you like/or rather have taken?
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Old 05-02-2013, 12:59 PM   #212
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Do the Giants and Ravens have good defensive lines?

Yes.

But they draft the big boys every year.

Hey, I'm not saying we shouldn't have drafted any DB's, but for a draft that's deep along the defensive line we got none. Look at us last year. Front seven was supposed to be the strength of the team and then Orakpo and Carriker go down and it's middling. The defense played way over it's head during the win streak and everyone likes to focus on how bad our secondary was. But hey, we had the third most picks in the league and the 23rd most sacks. I'm a believer that you can do smoke and mirrors in the secondary but you can't fake winning at the point of attack.

Not having a first round pick or money to spend on FA's meant this team was going to have some holes no matter what. With Griffin in the fold the only thing I would have truly cared about shoring up was OL depth and the front seven. Secondary and skill players be damned I want a team that wins up front. Obviously, the ideal is to have both but we went all in on small players and I can't fall in love with the strategy.

Meanwhile you guys are all giving out B's and A's. In my mind there is no such thing as getting an A in the draft with no first round pick and ZERO offensive or defensive linemen. Period.

In 2010-2013 the NYG drafted 11 Linemen(5OL, 6DL), the Skins took 10(6 OL, 4, DL). Source is www.pro-footballreference.com .

I don't know that one team has emphasized it more than the other. Now we have been substantially more uneven in the round drafted, but that is a matter of how we have generally been moving back to regain picks in the early years.
NYG Lineman per round: 2 - 1st, 2 - 2nd, 1 ea, 3, 4, 5, 2 - 6th, 2 - 7th.
Skins Lnemen per round: 2 - 1st, 1 - 3rd, 2 -5th, 2 - 6th, 4 - 7th.
Oh and NE, 7 in those 3 years, 4 of those in the 7th round, 1 - 1st, 3rd, and 6th
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Old 05-02-2013, 01:06 PM   #213
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PS pro-footballreference has a great search tool that lets you slice and dice drafts of a team. Basically, I put in "all linemen", but you can do individual positions, or schools, or conferences or mix and match. Pretty nice.
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Old 05-02-2013, 01:14 PM   #214
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For comparison purposes, here's what our draft would have looked like if we had taken purely the highest rated non-QB on my board at every pick, no regard for need:

2 (51) - Keenan Allen, WR, Cal
3 (85) - Stedman Bailey, WR, West Virginia
4 (119) - Jesse Williams, DT, Alabama
5 (154) - Jordan Poyer, CB, Oregon State
5 (162) - Andre Ellington, RB, Clemson
6 (191) - Brandon Jenkins, OLB, Florida State*
7 (228) - Phillip Thomas, S, Fresno State*

*Obviously these guys are only still available b/c we're redrafting the Redskins. Cierre Wood, RB, ND and Tony Jefferson, S, OU were my top undrafted players.

I guess the takeaways is that there was no way to get OL at good value, although there were DL to be had at good value (and we arguably got one of the best values there). And we were going to get DBs anyway. The draft was too deep in the secondary to not get DBs at BPA type value.
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Old 05-02-2013, 01:46 PM   #215
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This makes zero sense. There was absolutely no guarantee that Thomas and Jenkins would fall to us a round or many rounds later. We got Thomas in the fourth and Jenkins in the 5th.
Which is why I gave you the next two up.
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Old 05-02-2013, 04:05 PM   #216
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I fail to see how drafting a bunch of lineman would have helped us any this year. Outside of RT are there any other line positions up for grabs on either side of the ball??
It only makes sense to those who still believe A) football is a game of 3 yards and a cloud of dust and B) the only way to protect a QB is to have a dozen 300 lb. men up front.

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Old 05-02-2013, 04:25 PM   #217
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we all know the whole point of zone blocking is that it let's you go cheap on the OL right? you take small faster guys that other teams pass over, giving you higher talent in lower rounds (than average) without needing to use high picks or big money on a ton of OL guys.

the 3-4 let's you shift the expense (picks and money) of your DE's onto your pass rushing OLBs instead (though they're harder to find, DEs make more per sack than OLBs in general, so 3-4 pass rushing OLBs end up at around what a 4-3 DEs would cost due to rarity).

we've got the people for our systems now. our RT sucks, but everyone else is fine. last year we had some bad injuries on the pass rushing front, but we signed merling, tapp, and drafted a guy to help with that rotation (and a bunch of OL guys). we didn't have much in the way of money to sign guys, and we had more pressing issues in the draft. I don't think a 3rd round OT or 7th round OG would have helped us any. the OLB and rambo were picked WAY below value, so you can't swap those out. thomas was below value too, as was the TE we got (which is the only pick that really could have been spent differently. Maybe amerson wasn't the DB of choice, but all the good corners were going to be gone by our pick in round 3, so it was a now or never choice).
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Old 05-02-2013, 04:28 PM   #218
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oh yeah, we signed the best UDFA OT as well. it's not like we didn't do anything. we actually got a lot of bodies with what we had to work with.
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Old 05-02-2013, 04:31 PM   #219
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It only makes sense to those who still believe A) football is a game of 3 yards and a cloud of dust and B) the only way to protect a QB is to have a dozen 300 lb. men up front.

The game has evolved, unfortunately quite a few fans haven't evolved with it
ehh, yeah the game has evolved for sure. Still gotta control that line of scrimmage.
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oh yeah, we signed the best UDFA OT as well. it's not like we didn't do anything. we actually got a lot of bodies with what we had to work with.
A LOT of bodies. I don't know the official number, but don't we have somewhere around 15 offensive lineman? That's plenty.
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Old 05-02-2013, 05:40 PM   #221
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A LOT of bodies. I don't know the official number, but don't we have somewhere around 15 offensive lineman? That's plenty.
Yes, and several of them slated to be back-ups with starting experience.
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we all know the whole point of zone blocking is that it let's you go cheap on the OL right? you take small faster guys that other teams pass over, giving you higher talent in lower rounds (than average) without needing to use high picks or big money on a ton of OL guys.

the 3-4 let's you shift the expense (picks and money) of your DE's onto your pass rushing OLBs instead (though they're harder to find, DEs make more per sack than OLBs in general, so 3-4 pass rushing OLBs end up at around what a 4-3 DEs would cost due to rarity).

we've got the people for our systems now. our RT sucks, but everyone else is fine. last year we had some bad injuries on the pass rushing front, but we signed merling, tapp, and drafted a guy to help with that rotation (and a bunch of OL guys). we didn't have much in the way of money to sign guys, and we had more pressing issues in the draft. I don't think a 3rd round OT or 7th round OG would have helped us any. the OLB and rambo were picked WAY below value, so you can't swap those out. thomas was below value too, as was the TE we got (which is the only pick that really could have been spent differently. Maybe amerson wasn't the DB of choice, but all the good corners were going to be gone by our pick in round 3, so it was a now or never choice).
awesome post, says it all. I'm also betting Nixon ends up being a gem.


can't wait for next year with an extra $30-40 million to play with. we could be dangerous.
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Old 05-03-2013, 09:53 AM   #223
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Jarvis Jones 95
Le'Veon Bell 26
Markus Wheaton 11
Shamarko Thomas 29
Landry Jones 3 -couldn't get 12 because of Bradshaw
Terry Hawthorne 30
Justin Brown 15
Vince Williams 44
Nicholas Williams 91
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Old 05-04-2013, 12:28 AM   #224
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Nice break down and explanation why David Amerson is a good pick for Redskins. I actually feel better about him after reading the article.

Breaking Down David Amerson: Is He The Right Pick for The Redskins?

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What lies ahead for rookie safeties Phillip Thomas and Bacarri Rambo?
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