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Old 02-24-2014, 02:11 PM   #136
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Sounds like calling the winner of a race after a 1/4 mile when there's still another mile to go. More time allows for more results, and isn't that what we're judging?
No, you fool, we are judging the process. If the process is perfect - drafting talent in its expected place; finding "bargains" and making trades that appear to get more value than they give up - then you have had a successful draft. It doesn't matter who the players are.

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Grading a draft is so subjective, even when to grade is subjective. There are extremes like (obviously bad) NO trading it's entire draft to us in order to get Ricky Williams to say, Baltimore's (great) 1997 draft in which it turned it's two first round picks into two HOF'ers (Lewis and Ogden). In each case, it was pretty clear from the get go that the draft was good or bad.

Most, however, have to wait. A few years ago (2007) everyone raved about Cleveland's ability to trade into the first round to get Brady Quinn and how they were so astute to do so. Three years later, doesn't look too smart to trade up for BQ. Ultimately, in my opinion, barring obvious "fails", like not getting your card up in time or obvious FO dysfunction in the pick, it is just silly to judge a draft on anything other than player production.

Regardless how they got picked - good value, bad value, blah blah blah ... what did the rookies picked produce? Everybody starts every draft with the same base number of picks. Some are traded away, some are gained ... at the end of the day, who got the most productive (qualitatively and quantitatively) rookies out of a draft. That's who had the best draft.
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Old 02-24-2014, 02:15 PM   #137
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O-Line and D-line. Everyone else looks good when you have all day to throw and run, and opponent QB's have no time.

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Old 02-24-2014, 02:34 PM   #138
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Would you consider letting Rak walk if we signed Greg Hardy to play a JJ Watt type of DE and drafted Dee Ford to take the OLB position?
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Old 02-24-2014, 11:01 PM   #139
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Maybe he'll drop a round and we can grab him later.[/quote]

I will take him in the second if the doctors clear him. Tuitt is 300lbs + with sub 5.0 speed who can stuff the run, and rush the passer.
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Old 02-25-2014, 12:16 PM   #140
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^ Yeah, it would be a risk that would likely backfire to think he'd drop to Round 3.
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Old 02-25-2014, 11:10 PM   #141
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Old 02-26-2014, 12:01 AM   #142
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Where you are wrong is you think RG3 is a franchise QB. He had a nice rookie season running a unconventional offense where he rushed for 800 yards and 7 to 8 td's. He's not going to be able to do that and have a long career. Right now he can't carry the offense w/out running as we saw last year. Let's hope there's a better balance with him, passing and some running.
I missed this. He had a ROY season his first year, he had an NFL level second year. He certainly is a franchise qb, the biggest concern has to be his frame and health. I don't get people forgetting he threw 5 interceptions, 5, his first year. The second year clearly he didn't have the same push from his legs and his timing was out of sync, but his stats and just feel of his game was improving throughout the season.

Bottomline. Considering him a franchise qb isn't a mistake, he may not be the top 5 guy that we thought after his first year but there is no doubt he will consistently be in the top 10.

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Old 02-26-2014, 04:26 AM   #143
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Man if only people would of told Kurt Warner, Cam Newton, Alex Smith, Drew Brees, and Philip Rivers that they were not franchise Quarterbacks after their bad seasons then we could get back to reality.

Let's stop overreacting after one year people
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Old 02-26-2014, 07:54 AM   #144
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OK I look at the draft like I would buying a car. I bought the Caprice aka RG3, now time to buy some 23 inch rims( aka O-Line and WRs in this years draft).
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Man if only people would of told Kurt Warner, Cam Newton, Alex Smith, Drew Brees, and Philip Rivers that they were not franchise Quarterbacks after their bad seasons then we could get back to reality.

Let's stop overreacting after one year people
Armageddon is here ... the four horseman of the apocalypse are riding the storm ... RGIII had a sophomore slump after a bad knee injury.

Yup. All pretty much equivalent.
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OK I look at the draft like I would buying a car. I bought the Caprice aka RG3, now time to buy some 23 inch rims( aka O-Line and WRs in this years draft).
So you are setting the car to break the first time it hits a bump in the road?

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Jaworski: Manziel won’t last three games playing like he did at A&M | ProFootballTalk

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Old 02-26-2014, 03:55 PM   #148
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Ehhh, easy prediction to make for a short, running QB.

Of course a running QB could get hurt, but it's not guaranteed...Russell Wilson has escaped injury so far. He's been lucky. It's coming.

Yet, Jaws talks like he wants to have Colin Kaepernick's babies.

He just wanted the spotlight on him for a day.
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Old 02-26-2014, 05:38 PM   #149
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Here's an excellent draft-related site. NFL Combine info for every draft prospect since 1999. It's interesting to compare how successful NFL players performed versus how prospects performed this year...

Mock Drafts, 2013 NFL Features and Analysis - MockDraftable.com
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Old 02-27-2014, 04:05 PM   #150
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Gruden’s QB Camp Returns to ESPN for Fifth Season « ESPN MediaZone ESPN MediaZone


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