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Old 04-21-2014, 03:36 PM   #271
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Re: 34th Overall Pick

Kouandjio worries me. There are reports of him frequently getting pushed back and beaten despite his clear talent. There are reports of his riding his talent rather than working.

I don't mind grabbing a RT at #34 (Moses would be fine) but IMO we are better off choosing a player who is less of a gamble.
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Old 04-21-2014, 04:25 PM   #272
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Verrett would be a great one. If he's on the board and Allen passes, there will be blood. Dude is an elite talent, probably the most talented DB in the draft. And why wouldn't he play much next year? He's miles above Porter.
I agree. Verrett will start day one with any team that drafts him. Also, the only real negative on Verrett is his size. And I only see that affecting him playing the high point on a jump ball type of pass with a big elite receiver, but a big elite receiver would have an advantage over most NFL cornerbacks.

Any other perceived negative is a non-issue.
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Old 04-21-2014, 10:37 PM   #273
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Kouandjio worries me. There are reports of him frequently getting pushed back and beaten despite his clear talent. There are reports of his riding his talent rather than working.

I don't mind grabbing a RT at #34 (Moses would be fine) but IMO we are better off choosing a player who is less of a gamble.
I am now officially on the Kouandjio [OT Bama] bandwagon.
Dr. James Andrews says no issues with Cyrus Kouandjio's knee - CBSSports.com

Ironically if you showed me this story any time from week...5 up till the recent reports of RG3 being 'back to his old self' I would have disregarded it. Kouandjio has had 2 years on it now without incident so I think its safe to say he should be fine going forward. Of course there's those pesky rumors of the Panthers and Dolphins targeting him in the first round.

Though I will say Moses [OT UVA] is probably still my first realistic choice (I mean who here wouldn't love to have Robinson [OT Auburn] or Matthews [OT A&M] fall to us at 34 lol).
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Old 04-22-2014, 03:20 AM   #274
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..,Though I will say Moses [OT UVA] is probably still my first realistic choice (I mean who here wouldn't love to have Robinson [OT Auburn] or Matthews [OT A&M] fall to us at 34 lol).
Greg Robinson is a beast. Far and away the best offensive lineman in the draft, and one of only 3 players worth #1 overall, in my opinion. Khalil Mack and Teddy Bridgewater are the other two. Still haven't figured out why that Louisville QB has slid so far. Freaking ignore the dumba** workouts in shorts; watch the game film, and take in the Bridgewaterescence. Whoever drafts him will get a great franchise QB capable of carrying a team on and off the field and capable of winning multiple SBs. Any talk of Bortles going before this guy is asinine, not because it won't happen(it almost certainly will), but because of the notion that it brings with it, that Bortles is the better QB.

But, hey, what do I know? I'm just some random guy on the internet.
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I am now officially on the Kouandjio [OT Bama] bandwagon.
Dr. James Andrews says no issues with Cyrus Kouandjio's knee - CBSSports.com

Ironically if you showed me this story any time from week...5 up till the recent reports of RG3 being 'back to his old self' I would have disregarded it. Kouandjio has had 2 years on it now without incident so I think its safe to say he should be fine going forward. Of course there's those pesky rumors of the Panthers and Dolphins targeting him in the first round.

Though I will say Moses [OT UVA] is probably still my first realistic choice (I mean who here wouldn't love to have Robinson [OT Auburn] or Matthews [OT A&M] fall to us at 34 lol).
I'm not sold on Moses. Some of the film I've seen on him he's either getting pushed back, not anchoring or when he is blocking someone he's not moving his feet. Questions exist about his work ethic as well. Don't know, not seeing it with him.
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What if DE Ra'Shede Hageman fell to 34? Should we take the big fella?

Or, more unlikely, what if NT Louis Nix fell to 34? Should we take the big blob?
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What if DE Ra'Shede Hageman fell to 34? Should we take the big fella?

Or, more unlikely, what if NT Louis Nix fell to 34? Should we take the big blob?
I would take Tuitt before Hageman, he has been much more productive.

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Old 04-22-2014, 08:32 PM   #278
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Here's an ex-Redskins, current NFL Analyst Matt Bowen's take on Jason Verrett.

Why Jason Verrett Is an Overlooked Gem in 2014 NFL Draft Class | Bleacher Report

Much more technically descriptive than me, but same take.
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Old 04-22-2014, 08:43 PM   #279
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... like I said before though- Jason Verrett is probably not going to last into the 2nd Round.
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I'm not sold on Moses. Some of the film I've seen on him he's either getting pushed back, not anchoring or when he is blocking someone he's not moving his feet. Questions exist about his work ethic as well. Don't know, not seeing it with him.
Here is my scouting report on Moses [OT UVA].
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Absolutely celestial, heavenly finishing big man. Quicker than a jackrabbit on a hot date. So talented he could make an onion cry. The way he blocks is just an easy kiss home with the slickness of his gel.

Blocking style described as simplex. It’s a lovely word: simple and complicated at the same time, and that’s how Moses tends to play. When he fires off his stance at the point of attack he incites an eruption of solar proportions.

Final Grade: Demi-God
In all seriousness though the way he moves does have an easiness and fluidity to it. Almost effortless. He also has experience at Right Tackle which is certainly a plus. If I had to describe him in one sentence I'd say he's a slightly less talented version of Trent Williams. To clarify, basically a lot of the same general attributes with his quickness, power, size, etc but not better than Williams in any one of those categories save size (only 1 inch taller with arms that are a 1/2 inch longer [34 1/4 vs 34 3/4]).

Though if I had to put money on it I'd say the Redskins select Cameron Fleming [OT Stanford]. Aside from the rumors linking him to the team, he's the type of player that has a lot of the characteristics they're looking for, especially physically, but he's not so hot a commodity that they actually might have the option to trade down and still get him. I feel like all things being equal the current front office tries to trade down whenever possible, save of course of the RG3 trade.

In regards to Fleming [OT Stanford] though I actually just realized something funny. The guy is literally a rocket scientist.
NFL combine: Tackle Cameron Fleming hopes to continue Stanford tradition
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Old 04-23-2014, 07:54 AM   #281
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Here are some interesting thoughts from Rich Tandler today on his realredskins.com site:

"Here are five players widely projected to be taken late in the first round that the Redskins should hope slip to them:

DE Dee Ford, Auburn—Let’s face facts; it will be nearly impossible for the Redskins to sign both Brian Orakpo and Ryan Kerrigan to long term deals. One or both will be gone by 2016. A defense based on an aggressive pass rush needs, well, pass rushers. Ford, who had 8.5 sacks for Auburn last year and could do better lined up at outside linebacker where he can utilize his athletic ability to elude blockers.

ILB C. J. Mosley, Alabama—He’s mocked as high as 14th to the Bears and as low as out of the first round. The Redskins could search for a long time for someone to replace London Fletcher at inside linebacker. Or perhaps Mosley, the leader of the Crimson Tide’s tough defense, could fall into their laps.

FS Calvin Pryor, Louisville—Right now he appears to be top-20 material but his physical nature could scare off some teams in search of a safety but in fear of drawing too many personal-foul flags. The Redskins, of course, have a perpetual need at safety and might be willing to risk some laundry on the field to get the problem solved.

CB Darqueze Dennard, Michigan State—It seems that Dennard is more likely to be taken closer to the top 10 than the second round but some have him going in the late 20’s so a further slide is possible. He could be good enough to shake up the depth chart in the whole secondary.

CB Kyle Fuller, Virginia Tech—Fuller has gone from being a popular pick for the Redskins at 34 to someone who could be gone somewhere in the 20’s. Is his rise a result of media hype or is he actually moving up draft boards? He also could shake up the secondary depth chart."

Any thoughts on these guys from the Peanut Gallery?
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Though if I had to put money on it I'd say the Redskins select Cameron Fleming [OT Stanford]. Aside from the rumors linking him to the team, he's the type of player that has a lot of the characteristics they're looking for, especially physically, but he's not so hot a commodity that they actually might have the option to trade down and still get him. I feel like all things being equal the current front office tries to trade down whenever possible, save of course of the RG3 trade.[/url]
I respectfully disagree with you on two of your points.

First, we don't know if this FO will try to trade down whenever possible. Shanahan ran the entire show for the last four years. I highly doubt that Bruce made the decisions to trade down. I certainly hope he didn't because most of those trades netted us nothing.

Second, if the Redskins' think that Fleming could become the starter at RT, then it would make no sense to me to trade down and risk losing him if he is there at #34. IMO, finding a RT who can better help to protect RGIII than Polombus has done should be the top priority of this draft.
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Old 04-23-2014, 09:00 AM   #283
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Here are some interesting thoughts from Rich Tandler today on his realredskins.com site:

"Here are five players widely projected to be taken late in the first round that the Redskins should hope slip to them:

DE Dee Ford, Auburn—Let’s face facts; it will be nearly impossible for the Redskins to sign both Brian Orakpo and Ryan Kerrigan to long term deals. One or both will be gone by 2016. A defense based on an aggressive pass rush needs, well, pass rushers. Ford, who had 8.5 sacks for Auburn last year and could do better lined up at outside linebacker where he can utilize his athletic ability to elude blockers.

ILB C. J. Mosley, Alabama—He’s mocked as high as 14th to the Bears and as low as out of the first round. The Redskins could search for a long time for someone to replace London Fletcher at inside linebacker. Or perhaps Mosley, the leader of the Crimson Tide’s tough defense, could fall into their laps.

FS Calvin Pryor, Louisville—Right now he appears to be top-20 material but his physical nature could scare off some teams in search of a safety but in fear of drawing too many personal-foul flags. The Redskins, of course, have a perpetual need at safety and might be willing to risk some laundry on the field to get the problem solved.

CB Darqueze Dennard, Michigan State—It seems that Dennard is more likely to be taken closer to the top 10 than the second round but some have him going in the late 20’s so a further slide is possible. He could be good enough to shake up the depth chart in the whole secondary.

CB Kyle Fuller, Virginia Tech—Fuller has gone from being a popular pick for the Redskins at 34 to someone who could be gone somewhere in the 20’s. Is his rise a result of media hype or is he actually moving up draft boards? He also could shake up the secondary depth chart."

Any thoughts on these guys from the Peanut Gallery?
Id take any of those guys. I like Fuller alot, but Dennard to me, is much better CB. Fuller is a zone guy.
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What if DE Ra'Shede Hageman fell to 34? Should we take the big fella?

Or, more unlikely, what if NT Louis Nix fell to 34? Should we take the big blob?
Yes, yes, and I would take Tuitt as well.
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I respectfully disagree with you on two of your points.



First, we don't know if this FO will try to trade down whenever possible. Shanahan ran the entire show for the last four years. I highly doubt that Bruce made the decisions to trade down. I certainly hope he didn't because most of those trades netted us nothing.



Second, if the Redskins' think that Fleming could become the starter at RT, then it would make no sense to me to trade down and risk losing him if he is there at #34. IMO, finding a RT who can better help to protect RGIII than Polombus has done should be the top priority of this draft.

I remember hearing that BA was all about trading down and getting more picks. Either way I am not a fan of it. First of all Id rather have a great/good player than two good/decent ones. Secondly its hard enough to hit on one player but now you are having to hit on two. I guess if there are two guys you are high on and you are able to trade down and still get them thats one thing. Nobody is a sure thing but I just hope if they trade down it doesnt involve sacrificing someone you would take if you could just for "more" picks.
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