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Old 05-03-2014, 11:59 AM   #406
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Not to shit on your post, but bleacher report is an absolute terrible resource. Kiper/McShays rankings, cbs draft scout are kinda my go to.

Question, who goes where for draft rankings/prospect reports and who is the best in your opinion?
The point wasn't that Bleacher report is the most accurate, it was that there is depth in the draft (as KI Skins says). The mock drafts are all over the place, Morgan Moses could be a late 1st or drop to the 3rd, ditto for Jimmy Ward, and several others.

I like this site, it is much more informative than the CBS site, but it does not rank players in draft order, just by position ...... at least I cannot find the list.

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Old 05-03-2014, 01:32 PM   #407
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The point wasn't that Bleacher report is the most accurate, it was that there is depth in the draft (as KI Skins says). The mock drafts are all over the place, Morgan Moses could be a late 1st or drop to the 3rd, ditto for Jimmy Ward, and several others.

I like this site, it is much more informative than the CBS site, but it does not rank players in draft order, just by position ...... at least I cannot find the list.

The Sports Xchange College Football/NFL Draft Scout Rankings, From Prep to Pro Coverage by the Sports Xchange
they have overall ranks too, but those guys are owned by cbs now, and their info is all on cbssportsline or whatever. it's all rob rang.
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NFL Draft - 2014 NFL Draft Prospects - CBSSports.com - NFLDraftScout.com

also, top 100 rankings/player snapshots:
2014 NFL Draft: Final Top-100 Draft board has Bridgewater No. 1 - CBSSports.com
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Old 05-03-2014, 04:04 PM   #409
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Who really knows, does CBS have a good track record ?

FWIW.... I like Niklas, Tuitt, Van Noy, and Bitonio more than most of the players ranked in the 30s and 40s
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Who really knows, does CBS have a good track record ?

FWIW.... I like Niklas, Tuitt, Van Noy, and Bitonio more than most of the players ranked in the 30s and 40s
I've been going to CBS for years and find them to be the best. That said, every site ends up being wrong a lot.
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Old 05-03-2014, 07:06 PM   #411
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Who really knows, does CBS have a good track record ?

FWIW.... I like Niklas, Tuitt, Van Noy, and Bitonio more than most of the players ranked in the 30s and 40s
well, they bought nfldraftscout and it's staff, which does have a good track record. that doesn't mean they're perfect, but they tend to be pretty good.
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Old 05-03-2014, 10:06 PM   #412
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I think that anyone on this site would be hard-pressed to predict two dozen players who will be drafted in the first round. That goes for the media experts, as well. Based on all that I've read on the subject, there doesn't seem to be much separation between the players who will be drafted in the bottom third of the first round and those who will be drafted in the second round, or even the third round in some cases.

I'm guessing that a lot of teams will try to trade down during the draft but there's no way to know if many of them will be able to find trading partners who want to move up.

To be more specific, due to the widely perceived depth of this draft I'm more receptive to the Skins trading down this time around (with the #34 pick) than I normally would be, but only if they can get the return of a later second round pick and a third round pick.

I'm dead set against trading down in later rounds because our history of doing so shows that we have gained next to nothing from it.
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I think that anyone on this site would be hard-pressed to predict two dozen players who will be drafted in the first round. That goes for the media experts, as well. Based on all that I've read on the subject, there doesn't seem to be much separation between the players who will be drafted in the bottom third of the first round and those who will be drafted in the second round, or even the third round in some cases.
Teddy Bridgewater, Johnny Manziel, Greg Robinson, Taylor Lewan, Jake Matthews, Khalil Mack, Sammy Watkins, Justin Gilbert, Mike Evans, Odell Beckham Jr., Aaron Donald, Eric Ebron, Anthony Barr, Blake Bortles, Brandin Cooks, Zack Martin, Timmy Jernigan, Louis Nix, Xavier Su'a-Filo, Ha-Sean Clinton-Dix, Kyle Fuller, Darqueze Dennard, Jadeveon Clowney, CJ Mosley, and Marquise Lee. That's my 2 dozen, plus 2.

In my opinion, a lot of that supposed lack of separation in talent is mere media hype. For example, Teddy Bridgewater going in the 2nd round is simply bullcrap. He's just too talented a player at too important of a position to last that long. Same with any talk of Morgan Moses going in the 3rd. After the draft, I'll revisit this thread(if I even remember, that is), and see how many of those I listed were actually drafted in the 1st.

I mentioned "mere media hype", but it's sometimes difficult to separate that from what really is worth believing, since the vast majority of my information comes from the media. Common sense is a helpful tool.
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Old 05-04-2014, 08:06 AM   #414
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Here is a very interesting and useful chart produced by Pat Kirwin of cbssports.com with help from his team of experts:

Draftable Players by Position
Pos. Rnd 1-3 Rnd 4-7 Total
QB 7 6 13
RB 7 12 19
TE 5 10 15
WR 14 20 34
OT 9 10 19
OG 6 9 15
C 3 3 6
DE 10 10 20
DT 10 12 22
ILB 3 7 10
OLB 9 13 22
S 6 13 20
CB 12 18 30
TOTALS 101 147 249

There will be 96 players drafted in the first three rounds and Kirwin and his team of experts have identified 101 players they think are draftable in those rounds.

I really don't know how this chart would compare to previous drafts but, with 40% of all draftable players graded as third rounders or better, it seems to support the position that there is good depth in the high end of this draft.

Now, I leave you to your own analysis of these numbers.
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Old 05-04-2014, 09:17 AM   #415
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Mike Mayock comment on the Redskins' pick at #34:

“A guy that nobody is talking about that I love is Joel Bitonio from Nevada,” he said. “Most people assume he’s a guard. I watched him handle Anthony Barr from UCLA. I watched him against Florida State. I watched him against Boise who has a good edge kid in Demarcus Lawrence. I think Bitonio will start day one at right tackle and I think he’ll be there at 34.”
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My apologies if this was already posted, but here's the recent record of our second round picks (some real clunkers in the lot (I am reminded how horrifically bad our 2008 draft was), but some gems too):

Redskins' recent second-round picks - Washington Redskins Blog - ESPN

They could find a solid starter, as they’ve done in the past. Or they could find players who contribute little and are out of the league before turning 26. The Redskins have found those players in the past as well.

When it comes to their recent history with second-round picks, there’s an obvious mix with some hits (Jon Jansen, Fred Smoot) and misses (2008). Some are still to be determined (David Amerson, Jarvis Jenkins).

Their last second-round pick to become a Pro Bowler was Stephen Alexander, a 1998 pick who earned a trip to Hawaii in 2000. In fact, Alexander is one of only three second-round picks by the Redskins to make the Pro Bowl since 1965 – Chip Lohmiller (1991) and Tre Johnson (1999) being the others. Of course, they’ve also had 18 seasons since 1972 without a second-round pick thanks to trades.

The good news is that Fred Davis made a postseason all-star game; the bad news is that this Davis was a third-round pick in 1941.

Anyway, here are the Redskins’ last 10 second-round picks:

CB David Amerson (2013; 51st overall)

Note: Improved as a rookie while serving as the No. 3 corner. Will open this season as the starter. Amerson did not look overwhelmed by any means and improved as a rookie, but whether he’s a quality starter remains to be seen.

DE Jarvis Jenkins (2011; 41)

Note: Jenkins has started 19 games for Washington in two seasons (missing the first with a knee injury) and done a solid job against the run, but he hasn’t developed enough as a pass-rusher. He’ll be a free agent after this season and there’s no guarantee he’ll return.

WR Devin Thomas (2008; 34)

Note: Caught 40 passes in two-plus seasons with Washington before being released. Also played for Carolina and the New York Giants, where he was a solid special-teams player. Was the first of three pass-catching picks in the second round of this draft. It was not a memorable draft.

TE Fred Davis (2008; 48)

Note: The talented Davis flashed for a couple seasons (59 catches in 2011; 48 catches and six touchdowns in 2009), but overall his career will be remembered as a disappointment. Though he was hardly the first player to have fun off the field, it wasn't a good fit for him and eventually led to him being suspended. His 2012 Achilles injury hasn’t helped, either. He remains unsigned (and will be suspended for the first four games whenever he does sign).

WR Malcolm Kelly (2008; 51)

Note: Despite concerns expressed by their own training staff about his knees, the Redskins drafted Kelly anyway. He caught 28 passes in two seasons before being released. He never played for another team. Shockingly, injuries spoiled his career. So to add it up: both he and Thomas were done playing before they turned 26.

LB Rocky McIntosh (2006; 35)

Note: McIntosh was a productive player for several seasons, both from scrimmage and on special teams. Coaches liked his toughness and desire to compete. He spent four years as a full-time starter, but was not a good fit in the 3-4 scheme and eventually lost his job to Perry Riley in 2011. He spent 2012 in St. Louis and last season with Detroit. He remains unsigned.

WR Taylor Jacobs (2003; 44)

Note: Would look good in practices, then be unproductive in games. Jacobs caught 30 passes in three seasons with Washington, then spent 2006 with San Francisco and ’07 with both the 49ers and Denver. He caught another seven passes in his career, but did not play after 2007.

RB Ladell Betts (2002; 56)

Note: He had a decent career and finished with 3,326 yards rushing, 1,646 receiving and 2,085 returning kicks. But if you’re picked in the second round, you should spend more than one season as the full-time starter. Betts was never outstanding at anything and his career long run was 27 yards. However, Betts was a good backup to Clinton Portis, who arrived in 2004. Betts shined in 2006 after Portis was hurt, rushing for 1,154 yards and averaging 4.7 yards a carry and adding 53 catches for 445 yards. As a rookie Betts was behind Stephen Davis and Kenny Watson and, in Year 2, Trung Canidate. Betts played one season in New Orleans, finishing with 150 yards rushing and 141 receiving.

CB Fred Smoot (2001; 45)

Note: If nothing else he’ll win the award for funniest Redskin ever. Though he never ate pineapples on the big island (Hawaii; Pro Bowl), as he predicted, Smoot was a solid player for the Redskins. He started 85 games in seven seasons with Washington – a tenure interrupted by two seasons in Minnesota. Smoot did not play after 2009. He did not enter with a reputation for being tough, but exited with one.

RT Jon Jansen (1999; 37)

Note: A solid starter for his first five seasons before his Achilles injury in the Hall of Fame game in 2004; he and Chris Samuels made terrific bookends. After the injury, Jansen wasn’t quite the same and lasted two more years as the starter before another injury in 2007. He was the full-time starter in ’08, but released after the season (and 123 career starts). He played for Detroit in 2009.
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Mike Mayock comment on the Redskins' pick at #34:

“A guy that nobody is talking about that I love is Joel Bitonio from Nevada,” he said. “Most people assume he’s a guard. I watched him handle Anthony Barr from UCLA. I watched him against Florida State. I watched him against Boise who has a good edge kid in Demarcus Lawrence. I think Bitonio will start day one at right tackle and I think he’ll be there at 34.”
I hope we listen to Mayock.
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I hope we listen to Mayock.
Please nobody's talking about. Bucky Brooks was the first person I heard talk about this guy and now everyone's mentioning him.
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Please nobody's talking about. Bucky Brooks was the first person I heard talk about this guy and now everyone's mentioning him.
Yeah, he's suddenly became a popular pick at #34 for some reason. I wouldn't be opposed to taking him in the middle of the 2nd or top of the 3rd, but I think he's a reach at #34. If Moses, James, or Kouandijo aren't there, I'm fairly certain no RT will be BPA.
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Ladell Betts longest career run was 27 yards? That's gotta be disappointing
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