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Old 02-10-2014, 03:09 PM   #31
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Re: NFL draft prospect Michael Sam comes out

He ends up in Seattle at the end of round 2 and tears it up becoming an all pro.
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Old 02-10-2014, 03:30 PM   #32
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He was projected to be a mid round draft pick before the Senior Bowl where they had him standing up and he simply looked lost... He sounds to me like another Brandon Jenkins, a project 3-4 OLB... If he drops past the 5th round, then by all means... But I don't think we should spend any more than that... And assuming we bring back Sackpo, we are pretty set at that position...
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Old 02-10-2014, 03:46 PM   #33
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Love that he came out like this, it's the first step to a culture change in the NFL which could eventually lead a lot of other old-fashioned, bull-headed components of society into the future.

That said, he's not all that good. He led the SEC with 11.5 sacks, but 9 of those sacks came against Vanderbilt, Arkansas State and Florida (they had a down year). He dominates sub-par competition but plays to a stalemate against the better competition. Guess what kind of competition he'll find in the NFL.

He'd have to play OLB in our system and it makes no sense investing a 3rd or 4th at a position where we already have Kerrigan and Orakpo (assumed). Depth is good and all but we have too many holes elsewhere.

I'd pass on him. And my judgment is entirely based on football, as it should be.
Just to play devils advocate, you say he got most of his sacks against lesser competition, I say it is still the SEC, and those teams give out scholarships too. At the end of the year the award for best defensive player in the SEC doesn't go to the guy who was ok, it goes to the best player in the SEC. And as recent history shows us the player to win SEC defensive player of the year is usually a very good talent. Here is a list of the most recent and where they were drafted.
Michael Sam ?
J Jones 17th overall
M Claiborne 6th overall
P Peterson 5th overall
R McClain 8th overall
E Berry 5th overall
G Dorsey 5th overall

And then there's the list of single season sack leaders from Mizzou
1. Michael Sam 11.5, ?
1. Aldon Smith 11.5, 7th overall pick
2. Justin Smith 11, 4th overall pick

As an outsider with no real football knowledge you would think the player to win SEC defensive player of the year stands a very good chance of being drafted in the top 10, let alone the 1st round. It leads me to wonder if maybe his draft stock was already going down because there were rumors of his sexuality being in question. And rather than have any rumors out there he just took it head on instead of beating around the bush.

It's just weird for me to hear the pedigree of the SEC D player of the year and then to hear some one say this kid could fall to the 5th or 6th round, makes no sense to me.
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Old 02-10-2014, 04:10 PM   #34
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Michael Sam in the NFL: Players, Execs Agree There Are No Easy Answers | Bleacher Report

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The league office wants this to happen. Commissioner Roger Goodell has an openly gay brother.
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Old 02-10-2014, 04:16 PM   #35
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Just to play devils advocate, you say he got most of his sacks against lesser competition, I say it is still the SEC, and those teams give out scholarships too. At the end of the year the award for best defensive player in the SEC doesn't go to the guy who was ok, it goes to the best player in the SEC. And as recent history shows us the player to win SEC defensive player of the year is usually a very good talent. Here is a list of the most recent and where they were drafted.
Michael Sam ?
J Jones 17th overall
M Claiborne 6th overall
P Peterson 5th overall
R McClain 8th overall
E Berry 5th overall
G Dorsey 5th overall

And then there's the list of single season sack leaders from Mizzou
1. Michael Sam 11.5, ?
1. Aldon Smith 11.5, 7th overall pick
2. Justin Smith 11, 4th overall pick

As an outsider with no real football knowledge you would think the player to win SEC defensive player of the year stands a very good chance of being drafted in the top 10, let alone the 1st round. It leads me to wonder if maybe his draft stock was already going down because there were rumors of his sexuality being in question. And rather than have any rumors out there he just took it head on instead of beating around the bush.

It's just weird for me to hear the pedigree of the SEC D player of the year and then to hear some one say this kid could fall to the 5th or 6th round, makes no sense to me.
Probably the big reason is he's a tweener. Too small for full time DE and will need a lot of work playing OLB.

Regarding his announcement I think 90% of players/coaches won't give 2 shits about it. If he can play, he can play.
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Old 02-10-2014, 04:23 PM   #36
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Old article, but a good one

Vince Lombardi would have been proud of Jason Collins - ESPN New York
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to me this is non news. all anyone should care about if he can make plays. no more, no less
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Old 02-10-2014, 04:53 PM   #38
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Just to play devils advocate, you say he got most of his sacks against lesser competition, I say it is still the SEC, and those teams give out scholarships too. At the end of the year the award for best defensive player in the SEC doesn't go to the guy who was ok, it goes to the best player in the SEC. And as recent history shows us the player to win SEC defensive player of the year is usually a very good talent. Here is a list of the most recent and where they were drafted.
Michael Sam ?
J Jones 17th overall
M Claiborne 6th overall
P Peterson 5th overall
R McClain 8th overall
E Berry 5th overall
G Dorsey 5th overall

And then there's the list of single season sack leaders from Mizzou
1. Michael Sam 11.5, ?
1. Aldon Smith 11.5, 7th overall pick
2. Justin Smith 11, 4th overall pick

As an outsider with no real football knowledge you would think the player to win SEC defensive player of the year stands a very good chance of being drafted in the top 10, let alone the 1st round. It leads me to wonder if maybe his draft stock was already going down because there were rumors of his sexuality being in question. And rather than have any rumors out there he just took it head on instead of beating around the bush.

It's just weird for me to hear the pedigree of the SEC D player of the year and then to hear some one say this kid could fall to the 5th or 6th round, makes no sense to me.
Good Info definitely have to wonder.
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Old 02-10-2014, 05:39 PM   #39
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Good on him. But all I care about is if the dude can play and if he can, that we draft him!
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Old 02-10-2014, 06:46 PM   #41
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On a personal level, i could not care less that he is gay. it's a shame he has to announce it but I do think he did the right thing. I give him credit for having the courage to come out and also address his college team. The fact that his teammates kept this quiet out of respect for him says a lot about him as a person.

now back to the tasteless real world. I love a good offensive joke. I like to consider myself an equal opportunity offender.
I can't describe the joy the dallas cowboys would bring to me by drafting him. the majority of my family can pretty much be described as macho hispanic cowboy fans from Arizona and New Mexico. The amount of trash talking this provides over the holidays is endless.

"So cousin Tony, I hear that new linebacker of yours is really impressing the coaches, they said he likes to play press coverage on the tight ends in the shower".
Ok thats lame but I would have time to create some good stuff.

If the Cowboys don't draft him, I hope we do. we need talent and this guy has it.
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Nice article . Agree with the above post's from most everyone . I really believe that most people don't give a sh-t about anything other than a mans character , heart ect.
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blah blah blah. Who cares if you like to look at womens asses when you walk down the street, or guys asses when you walk down the street? The question is can he play football and be an asset to the Redskins. From what I've seen on youtube, I think he very well could.
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cool story bro?
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blah blah blah. Who cares if you like to look at womens asses when you walk down the street, or guys asses when you walk down the street? The question is can he play football and be an asset to the Redskins. From what I've seen on youtube, I think he very well could.
Exactly, totally agree.

If you look at the list of pass rushers and defenders coming out of Mizzou I would not be surprised if San Fran used one of thier picks to grab him. They will have the inside knowledge on him with A Smith and J Smith both coming from his school.

If he fits what we do and is available then draft the guy. The only problem I could see with him in DC is the media circus, and trying to use his story in anything other than a positive way.
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