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Old 04-21-2005, 11:00 PM   #46
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Overall: Campbell is a coaches son who also stared in basketball in high school. He became the first freshman to start the season opener at quarterback for Auburn since Stan White in 1990. Campbell started eight games in 2001, six games in 2002 and all 13 games in 2003. He had by far his best season as a senior in 2004 when he completed 69.6-percent of his passes for 2,700 yards and threw 19 touchdowns and just six interceptions, while leading the Tigers to a perfect 13-0 record. Campbell has always had excellent size, good athletic ability and above average arm strength, but his poor decision making skills, lack of poise in the pocket, indecisiveness and erratic arm haunted him early in his collegiate career. Throughout his first three seasons as a starter, Campbell consistently held onto the ball too long, threw too many passes up for grabs when he ran out of time, missed open receivers downfield and overthrew too many of the receivers that he did find open. However, No player improved his draft value more in 2004 than Campbell. After struggling through three extremely inconsistent and unfulfilling seasons, Campbell thrived as a senior in what was his fourth offensive scheme in four years. New offensive coordinator Al Borges found the right fit for Campbell, as his West Coast scheme simplified things and gave Campbell a lot more definitive reads to make. As his confidence improved, so too did his production. Most impressive was Campbell's improvement in regards to his decision-making skills, as he threw 13 more touchdowns (19) than interceptions (6) in 2004. Campbell has the physical tools of a first round pick but there are still questions about his downfield accuracy and ability to see the entire field. That's why we grade Campbell out as a solid second round prospect.

Like I said. Three so-so years, one good year, in a west coast scheme that had to be simplified. Seriously, what the heck are we going to do with a west coast QB? He's just not that impressive. If you look at his throwing statistics compared to the other top 10 QB draft prospects, I think you'll see that he's really nothing to write home about. In fact, his numbers put him somewhere around the bottom of the top 10 QBs.

And if I had Cadillac AND Ronnie Brown behind me, with a consistently good to great defense, I'd probably have a pretty good win/loss record too. Win/loss records in college football are no indicator of success in the pros. Danny Wuerrfle, Shane Matthews, Ken Dorsey, Andre Ware, Eric Crouch............the list just goes on and on.

Sound's to me like he ran a basic offense because he couldn't grasp a real one and coupled that with superior talent and he was able to perform, what will he do in the NFL when the playingfield is much more level and the offenses and defenses are far more complicated than anything he's seen in college? I wouldn't take this kid in any round.
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Old 04-21-2005, 11:18 PM   #47
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I agree on your first two points. But if they go for Edwards, it'll actually be 5 traded picks to get him: Two firsts this year (#'s 9 and 25), the first rounder we gave away to Denver next year (likely a top 15), this year's third, and next year's 4th. That's way too many, especially when the knock on Edwards is that he frequently drops catchable passes. A negative like that for a wide receiver should not get you top billing in the class of wideouts in any draft year, I don't care what anybody says.

I disagree on Mike Williams though. Word is, he could be tipping the scale at 245 pounds, has been away from the game too long, and isn't known for even 'good' speed, much less blazing speed. We've got plenty of possession receivers already and if they spend it on a wide receiver at all, the guy to root for is Troy Williamson, who's stock is apparently rising everyday -- and Williamson IS a speedster. Fastest in the draft is what I've heard. But we need a corner first and foremost, and Williamson will be long gone by pick #25. Wideouts in that part of the draft could include Mark Clayton of Oklahoma, or Roddy White of UAB.
Williamson is one of the fastest as is another reciever who's stock has risen dramatically since the end of the season and that would be Jerome Mathis(i think that's his name) of Hampton. I think a decent to pretty good wr can be found in the 2-4 round area and if the team wastes 5 picks to get Edwards ,that would further show the immediate need for an intelligent GM. I love Gibbs but if that proposed trade goes down, I know I will lose some faith and start doubting his return to the team. With some pretty serious holes on the team, I just can't fathom why the team would even consider the giving away of every pick before the 4th round this year and our 1st and 4th next year for a guy who's described as a faster 50-50. please let this all be just hype and hoopla cuz that would put a serious dent even for me in the hopes of the team for this upcoming year.
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Old 04-21-2005, 11:19 PM   #48
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I have mixed feelings about drafting Campbell. I don't think QB is a need now. I love the idea of Rogers at 9. At 25, is Vincent Jackson a possibility there or is that too high?

But anyway, I like the idea of having our bases covered should we lose Ramsey after this upcoming season, or if Ramsey doesn't take his game to the next level (which I really believe he will). And of course, even if there were some good QBs in the 2006 draft we just gave up our 1st round pick in 2006 for the rights to possibly draft Campbell now.

As for Campbell's attachment to the West Coast offense let's not forget that one of the best teachers of that offense is the Skins new QB coach, Bill Musgrave
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Old 04-22-2005, 10:32 AM   #49
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I have mixed feelings about drafting Campbell. I don't think QB is a need now. I love the idea of Rogers at 9. At 25, is Vincent Jackson a possibility there or is that too high?

But anyway, I like the idea of having our bases covered should we lose Ramsey after this upcoming season, or if Ramsey doesn't take his game to the next level (which I really believe he will). And of course, even if there were some good QBs in the 2006 draft we just gave up our 1st round pick in 2006 for the rights to possibly draft Campbell now.

As for Campbell's attachment to the West Coast offense let's not forget that one of the best teachers of that offense is the Skins new QB coach, Bill Musgrave
I just can't imagine having to wait for Campbell or any other rookie QB have to learn and adjust to what many consider to be among the most complicated offenses in the league. If this whole experiment with Ramsey doesn't work out -- and I firmly believe this year will be his last shot -- then you can forget winning anything in the next few years, unless there's another Brad Johnson of the '99 season to carry us into the playoffs. Gibbs wants to win now, and selecting a QB of the future only sets us back in many other areas that need attention.
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I am officially calling for the Jones-Jones pick on Saturday. Pac-Man and Matt would be a good draft for us.
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I would love to see Jones x 2.
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I agree on your first two points. But if they go for Edwards, it'll actually be 5 traded picks to get him: Two firsts this year (#'s 9 and 25), the first rounder we gave away to Denver next year (likely a top 15), this year's third, and next year's 4th. That's way too many, especially when the knock on Edwards is that he frequently drops catchable passes. A negative like that for a wide receiver should not get you top billing in the class of wideouts in any draft year, I don't care what anybody says.

I disagree on Mike Williams though. Word is, he could be tipping the scale at 245 pounds, has been away from the game too long, and isn't known for even 'good' speed, much less blazing speed. We've got plenty of possession receivers already and if they spend it on a wide receiver at all, the guy to root for is Troy Williamson, who's stock is apparently rising everyday -- and Williamson IS a speedster. Fastest in the draft is what I've heard. But we need a corner first and foremost, and Williamson will be long gone by pick #25. Wideouts in that part of the draft could include Mark Clayton of Oklahoma, or Roddy White of UAB.
It doesn't really matter, but it would not be 5 picks traded for him. You are counting the 25th this year and next years 1st. You counted the same pick twice. We traded next years 1 to get this years 25, so it's the same pick. If the skins trade #9 & 25 for edwards it would be 4 picks for 1.
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Re: Redskins Moving up?

Here's one for us all to debate: Last night's draft special on ESPN got me scared to death, because they treated us drafting Campbell as a foregone conclusion. It's no secret I don't like the guy's ability (or lack thereof), at least with regard to the Skins' offense. So, which of the two potential nightmares would you rather have?
1. Stay at 25 and draft Campbell; or
2. Package 9 and 25 to move up for whoever they want (e.g. Edwards/Williams or #1CB).

Right now, I'm leaning toward #2, and here's why. I regard picking Campbell as essentially getting nothing. Rather than potentially having to settle for our 2nd or 3rd choice at CB/WR and getting Campbell, I'd rather have our #1 choice at CB/WR and have nothing else. Of course I'd rather them just stay at 9 and 25 and go CB/WR or WR/CB, but if they are going to do one of the above stupid moves, I think the second is the lesser of the two evils.

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Why in the hell are we thinking about drafting a quarterback? What happened to Patrick Ramsey?
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Here's one for us all to debate: Last night's draft special on ESPN got me scared to death, because they treated us drafting Campbell as a foregone conclusion. It's no secret I don't like the guy's ability (or lack thereof), at least with regard to the Skins' offense. So, which of the two potential nightmares would you rather have?
1. Stay at 25 and draft Campbell; or
2. Package 9 and 25 to move up for whoever they want (e.g. Edwards/Williams or #1CB).

Any thoughts/opinions?
that's an excellent question... i'd have to agree with you on going with the second option. Losing all those picks to get some guy at 25 is a real shot in the dark. at least packaging the picks for our top target is a better risk... it's like sitting at the poker table and going "all in"- if we're going to do something unconventional (like trading a potentially higher first round, a third, and a fourth) for one pick, i'd rather go all the way with it. at least if it's a bust, it's one that had a better shot at making it than some guy at 25.
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that's an excellent question... i'd have to agree with you on going with the second option. Losing all those picks to get some guy at 25 is a real shot in the dark. at least packaging the picks for our top target is a better risk... it's like sitting at the poker table and going "all in"- if we're going to do something unconventional (like trading a potentially higher first round, a third, and a fourth) for one pick, i'd rather go all the way with it. at least if it's a bust, it's one that had a better shot at making it than some guy at 25.
If we draft Campbell with the #25 it will be like going all in with 2-7 unsuited!
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If we draft Campbell with the #25 it will be like going all in with 2-7 unsuited!
Amen!
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