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Old 04-24-2005, 08:39 AM   #76
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Re: We need to document the yeh's vs. the ney's concerning Campbell

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To me it makes sense. If Ramsey doesn't produce, then draft a QB next year? Gibbs doesn't have that long. Might as well have a backup plan because clearly Brunell and Hasse are not the answer.
If Gibbs is concerned with the "future of the Redskins"; I think they should have waited until next year. Jason Campbell is a huge question mark; I think hes good, but nothing to get real excited about. There are three guys definitley/probably coming out next year that I think you get really excited about (Leinhart,Leak,Young).
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Old 04-24-2005, 08:47 AM   #77
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Re: We need to document the yeh's vs. the ney's concerning Campbell

In some ways the pick makes a lot of sense. Campbell isn't likely to see any action this year, but his arrival may speed Brunell out after June 1st. Basically, we will have spent next year's draft pick on next year's player - if Ramsey doesn't pull a Drew Brees.

If Ramsey does step way up, we have the same possibilities that San Diego has right now. A veteran with a solid year (and considerable trade value), and a "rookie" with a year of practice and experience under his belt.
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Old 04-24-2005, 08:51 AM   #78
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Re: We need to document the yeh's vs. the ney's concerning Campbell

This is one pick that I don't think can be judged yet, because it's intended to be such a long-term solution.

I'll hate this pick if we are pathetic at scoring TDs in the red zone this year, and Mike Williams puts up 10 or more TDs with Detroit. I don't think that's very likely though, because as I've stated before, WRs take a long time to develop in most cases. But if our WRs work out OK this year, then I've got no problem with the Campbell pick.

The only way to see if Campbell will ever be worth the first rounder is to see how he's playing in 3 or 4 years. After all, we're just starting to figure out whether Ramsey was worth it 4 years ago. It takes a long time for the jury to come back on a QB.

I don't love it, I don't hate it. I'm just anxious to see how we play this year under Gibbs.
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Old 04-24-2005, 10:40 AM   #79
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Re: We need to document the yeh's vs. the ney's concerning Campbell

No matter how you feel about Canpbell...........if you like the pick or not. The Skins gave up to much for him. That's the botton line.

Right now I feel this front office Joe Gibbs included have no clue. I never imagined we would take a QB that early when we have so much more needs at other positions. Heath Miller was sitting there at 25 for us to grab. If you get him you give Ramsey A true threat at TE. With him and Cooley who plays H-back not T-End. The other teams safties and LB would have had there work cut out for them. What happens instead the Steelers who make the playoffs on a regular bases get Heath Miller.

Campell cost the team a 1st a 3rd and a 4th round pick makes me sick to my stomach....unbelievable







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Old 04-24-2005, 10:48 AM   #80
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No matter how you feel about Canpbell...........if you like the pick or not. The Skins gave up to much for him. That's the botton line.

Heath Miller was sitting there at 25 for us to grab. If you get him you give Ramsey A true threat at TE. With him and Cooley who plays H-back not T-End. The other teams safties and LB would have had there work cut out for them. What happens instead the Steelers who make the playoffs on a regular bases get Heath Miller.
Campell cost the team a 1st a 3rd and a 4th round pick makes me sick to my stomach....unbelievable
Honestly, that is who I wanted when our pick came up at #25. After Mark Clayton had come and gone, I knew we would take Campbell, but I was praying we grabbed Heath Miller because I thought it would be a huge addition to the offense. I agree we gave up too much to get him; I would have much rather had us wait to see where we stood next year at QB, and then give up a lot to get one of next years QB crop.

I'd just like to say, for the record, that I really like Jason Campbell, I think he has a chance to be a good player for us. I just dont think it was very smart for us to draft him. Although I, like many ohters are up in arms about this pick and are overall baffled by it, I still welcome him with open arms now that he is on our team. I dont agree with the pick, but I hope both Ramsey and Campbell works out for us.
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Old 04-24-2005, 11:16 AM   #81
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Re: We need to document the yeh's vs. the ney's concerning Campbell

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Well I really don't know what to make of it. I hope it works out but what the Skins have done over the years in the draft have been very poor. Even when they get it right they push the guy out of town or he is a bad guy not a true Redskin! The truth of it all is that those days may never be back!!!! Players like Arrington or Taylor are hired guns not true Redskins. I would have traded both for players in this draft that wanted to be here if I was running things. With no let down and even better!!!!! I know you all think these two walk on water but they don't like it here, they don't make the money they wanted[that gun at thier head when they signed should be reported!] or what ever the reason. I don't have time for guys like this....piss off and get someone who wants to be here!
Damn, Pete. I think you captured the essence of how I feel about the Redskins right now. If the salary cap were no concern, I'd trade Arrington and Taylor right now, too. It's great to have a couple of headhunters like them roaming the defense, but these guys are as much of a headache (and headcases) for the Skins in the offseason as they are for the Skins' opponents during the season.

Unfortunately, I think it's increasingly difficult to find "true Redskins" in this era, but the decisions made by the front office over the past six years have contributed to the dearth of such "team players" on the roster. You live by the signing bonus, you die by the signing bonus.
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Old 04-24-2005, 11:31 AM   #82
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SC, anybody that we would have put back there would have looked scared, that's what happens when no one is open downfield and the opposing defense knows what your running.

We also know Gibbs doesn't think that way because if he did Ramsey wouldn't be the starter this season, Gibbs said this is a value pick not a need pick, which makes it even more ridiculous.
please, how the heck would Ramsey know if anyone was open downfield. When did he ever look downfield? He dumped it off on a five yard route before anyone could get downfield

And Gibbs is lying when he says its a value pick and ont a need pick. IF we had the 25pth pick in the draft and campbell fell to us, and we took him, then its a value pick. When you trade you draft for next year to get a guy, prior to the draft for that matter, you arent doing it for value. Campbell is our qb of the future, start saying goodbye to ramsey
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Old 04-24-2005, 11:43 AM   #83
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Re: We need to document the yeh's vs. the ney's concerning Campbell

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No matter how you feel about Canpbell...........if you like the pick or not. The Skins gave up to much for him. That's the botton line.

Right now I feel this front office Joe Gibbs included have no clue. I never imagined we would take a QB that early when we have so much more needs at other positions. Heath Miller was sitting there at 25 for us to grab. If you get him you give Ramsey A true threat at TE. With him and Cooley who plays H-back not T-End. The other teams safties and LB would have had there work cut out for them. What happens instead the Steelers who make the playoffs on a regular bases get Heath Miller.

Campell cost the team a 1st a 3rd and a 4th round pick makes me sick to my stomach....unbelievable
Campbell actually cost the team TWO first rounders (the #25 pick this year AND the first rounder in 2006), plus the 3rd and 4th rounders. Pretty steep price for a guy that's not a surefire stud, and won't help the team for another 2 to 3 years, at least.

I was hoping they'd take Heath Miller, Roddy White, or a defensive end or linebacker. Anything but a quarterback with that pick. No matter who they took, though, it would be hard for them to prove worthy of two first-rounders, a 3rd and a 4th. Bad, bad draft management in my opinion.
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Re: We need to document the yeh's vs. the ney's concerning Campbell

Campbell seems to have alot of potential, but was he worth the 25th overall pick? I find it hard to justify that. Especially considering what else was on the board at that time. Perhaps down the road we'll change our tune, but right now it's disappointing we used a high pick on someone who's not going to contribute right away.
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Old 04-24-2005, 12:32 PM   #85
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Re: We need to document the yeh's vs. the ney's concerning Campbell

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Campbell actually cost the team TWO first rounders (the #25 pick this year AND the first rounder in 2006), plus the 3rd and 4th rounders. Pretty steep price for a guy that's not a surefire stud, and won't help the team for another 2 to 3 years, at least.

I was hoping they'd take Heath Miller, Roddy White, or a defensive end or linebacker. Anything but a quarterback with that pick. No matter who they took, though, it would be hard for them to prove worthy of two first-rounders, a 3rd and a 4th. Bad, bad draft management in my opinion.
That's my biggest concern with this move. I'm all for having depth at the QB position and leveraging yourself and being prepared in case Ramsey doesn't pan out or he does but chooses not to stay anyway.

But I'm not crazy about how much we gave up for him. I'm sure Campbell can be a very good starting QB in this league. But if you give up 4 draft picks, including two first rounders, for someone that guy better be the next Brett Favre.

If the Skins really felt they needed a QB for the future, why not just hold onto that #3 pick and take someone like Kyle Orton?
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Old 04-24-2005, 12:50 PM   #86
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Re: Jason Campbell

It's insurance. Plain and simple. The more you think about it makes sense. Ramsey's contract ends in 2006. So this will give us the chance to have Campbell develope while Ramsey plays. Then if Ramsey is the second coming of Favre were set, if not we have a guy who has two years under his belt, knows the system and is ready to play.

I honestly hope that Campbell doesnt have to take a snap until 2 full years from now.

This year he is our #3. Next year Brunell gets the chop and he is our #2 and we will bring in some veteren as our #3.

We will be drafting another QB if Ramsey leaves, so get ready for that in a few years.
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Re: We need to document the yeh's vs. the ney's concerning Campbell

How do you figure we gave up two first round picks for Campbell? We only had the 9th pick in the first round this year, so in essence we gave up next years 1st & 4th plus this years 3rd for him. Considering how difficult it might be to sing a 1st rounder next year anyway, this could be a good move. Only time will tell whether it's good or not so good
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Old 04-24-2005, 01:46 PM   #88
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Re: Jason Campbell

There some angry folks on the thread.
I can't believe what I am reading on some of them...especially from some of the huge Ramsey loyalists.
Someone said, "I am glad you think he (Campbell) will be a great QB for us, cause he wasen't a great QB for Auburn,..."
Huh? Wasn't a great QB for Auburn?
Campbell despite having 4 different offensive coordinators and systems in his four years at Auburn,still managed to have a 62% CAREER completion record.
With an SEC Championship on the line, Jason Campbell threw for a career-high 374 yards and three touchdowns againsts Tennessee to win the 2004 SEC Championship. The win completed Auburnís first-ever 12-0 season. Named the gameís MVP, Campbell also rushed 13 times for 57 yards. His 374 passing yards and 431 total yards are SEC Championship game records.
He finished his senior year with 19 td's and only 7 int.
For the guys that say Ramsey is better prospect...Ramsey's Tulane played in the Conference USA. In 2000, Ramsey ledTulane to a 1-10 record against NCAA powerhouses like:
1) Sam Houston State
2) Northwestern State
3) Louisiana-Monroe
4) Middle Tennessee
Ramsey had his biggest career day against Navy. WOW!

Auburn on the other hand plays in the SEC. While they play one or two weak teams at the start of the year (like most teams) , the rest of the SEC has real teams like:
Georgia
LSU
Florida
Alabama
Arkansas
South Carolina
Someone mentioned the game will speed up for Campbell from SEC to NFL.
How about the speed up from the Confrence USA (Tulane) to NFL? I think Ramsey is still trying to catch up to the NFL.
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Old 04-24-2005, 01:48 PM   #89
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Insurance? That's like buying flood insurance when you live on top of a mountain!
Ramsey is the top of the Mountain.
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Old 04-24-2005, 02:23 PM   #90
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Re: We need to document the yeh's vs. the ney's concerning Campbell

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Campbell actually cost the team TWO first rounders (the #25 pick this year AND the first rounder in 2006), plus the 3rd and 4th rounders. Pretty steep price for a guy that's not a surefire stud, and won't help the team for another 2 to 3 years, at least.

I was hoping they'd take Heath Miller, Roddy White, or a defensive end or linebacker. Anything but a quarterback with that pick. No matter who they took, though, it would be hard for them to prove worthy of two first-rounders, a 3rd and a 4th. Bad, bad draft management in my opinion.
Concur with ya Joe......too high high a price ........put me down for a
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Bad draft management, bad front office, bad scouts, with goes right along with your bad clock management from last year, bad mistakes (stupid penalties), which translates to what we are a team with a BAD record...... Would have preferred Roddy White, DE, LB.......save QB for the 4th or better NEXT YEAR.........
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