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View Poll Results: Do you approve of the Jason Campbell pick?
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Old 04-24-2005, 03:48 PM   #106
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Re: Inside Opinion on Campbell

How about we see this kid on the field before we write him off.

The overreactions on this site are almost comical lately.
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Old 04-24-2005, 03:50 PM   #107
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Re: We need to document the yeh's vs. the ney's concerning Campbell

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The issue here wasn't Campbell and his college career, it was why Ramsey hasn't grown as a QB.......but if you are strictly going by teams and defenses players play against in college, then the Redskins should never have drafted Darrell Green using this logic................
Darrel Green ran a 4.19 second 40 in college. He beat Carl Lewis in a track meet in college in the 100 dash and beat the world record at that time.
However the record was not allowed to stand (not an official record) because the wind was blowing above the allowable speed in the direction of the race. So it was labeled "wind aided' and the record did not stand. If had been an indoor track it would have stood up. That is why carl Lewis refused a rematch with Darrel Green a few years later. Darrel was not a suprise pick.
PLus, again Darrel came in and played great from day one. ramsey has not yet been great in 3 years.
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Old 04-24-2005, 03:53 PM   #108
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Re: Inside Opinion on Campbell

I agree.
this came from a guy that know a guy...that was fired from Auburn and is now stuck at Ole Miss.
Campbell on the other hand is now in the NFL.
Who is the bigger idiot?
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Old 04-24-2005, 03:55 PM   #109
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Re: We need to document the yeh's vs. the ney's concerning Campbell

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Darrel Green ran a 4.19 second 40 in college. He beat Carl Lewis in a track meet in college in the 100 dash and beat the world record at that time.
However the record was not allowed to stand (not an official record) because the wind was blowing above the allowable speed in the direction of the race. So it was labeled "wind aided' and the record did not stand. If had been an indoor track it would have stood up. That is why carl Lewis refused a rematch with Darrel Green a few years later. Darrel was not a suprise pick.
PLus, again Darrel came in and played great from day one. ramsey has not yet been great in 3 years.
Ahh but that's my point, we are not talking about Ramsey's athletic ability, strength of arm, release, mechanics, feet, how he reads the field, etc etc.
the point was COMPETITION...........wasn't it? Texas A&I didn't exactly have top notch competion. I'm not Darrell bashing here, just using him to make a point, yes he has SPEED, but couldn't it be said that viewing the competition just made him appear better than he was....strictly looking at the competition.....Darrell was one of a kind and I know he's a hall of famer, just bringing up the point about players coming from small schools that's all........PEACE
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Old 04-24-2005, 04:11 PM   #110
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How about we see this kid on the field before we write him off.
I agree that it's way too early to start bashing Campbell's ability. However, his ability really isn't the point. Even if he's the second coming of Joe Montana, we gave up an awful lot of picks to relieve Hasselbeck of clipboard duty ...
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Old 04-24-2005, 04:12 PM   #111
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Ahh but that's my point, we are not talking about Ramsey's athletic ability, strength of arm, release, mechanics, feet, how he reads the field, etc etc.
the point was COMPETITION...........wasn't it? Texas A&I didn't exactly have top notch competion. I'm not Darrell bashing here, just using him to make a point, yes he has SPEED, but couldn't it be said that viewing the competition just made him appear better than he was....strictly looking at the competition.....Darrell was one of a kind and I know he's a hall of famer, just bringing up the point about players coming from small schools that's all........PEACE
If you read my original post on this thread, my original point is some folks are bashing Campbell, calling him an average college QB, at the same time saying Ramsey is so wonderful.
My point was if Campbell was an average college QB, Ramsey was a worse college QB. That is all. I used the two players stats, W-L records and teams they played against as evidence that Campbell was a better QB coming out of college. I see the same type of bashing that happened to D. McNabb, happeneing here in Washington.
I am NOT comparing McNabb to Campbell as players.
Lets let Campbell step on to the playing field before we write him off.
We have given Ramsey 4 years of a chance to be good, we are not willing to give a rookie one game.
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Old 04-24-2005, 04:19 PM   #112
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I agree that it's way too early to start bashing Campbell's ability. However, his ability really isn't the point. Even if he's the second coming of Joe Montana, we gave up an awful lot of picks to relieve Hasselbeck of clipboard duty ...
No we gave up all those picks in the hope that Campbell will lead us to a future Superbowl victory. Even if it is in two years or five years; if it happens, it will have been worth it.
Gibbs is doing something the FO and loose lipped Cerrato have not done since day one, Gibbs is building with an eye to the future, not this minute.
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Old 04-24-2005, 04:23 PM   #113
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Re: We need to document the yeh's vs. the ney's concerning Campbell

We should not bash hime untill we see the progress on the field. He will spend a few years on the bench/clipboard, by then Ramsey's play should speak for itself. I think now it is a good move. At first I totally disagreed, but think for the big picture it is correct. Now if they both fail then we shall be singing the blues. But the pick of Rodgers over Williams has me baffled.
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Old 04-24-2005, 05:08 PM   #114
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Does well in school (3.0 grade point average). His first Wonderlic test score (14) was lower than you like from a player at the quarterback position, but he then scored a much-improved 28 at the Combine in February

doesnt sound like a complete idiot to me.
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Old 04-24-2005, 05:10 PM   #115
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I don't care how good Campbell is.. THE PRICE WAS WAY TOO STEEP.. As alwayz our illustroius FO has fu**ed up again. How can u draft a QB when u have 3 on ur roster n u have more needs in DE, WR and other areas.. I just want to know what Gibbs and rest were smoking when they decided on this..
No wonder nobody wants to play for our organization. There is no clear direction from the mangement.. nobody knows where they are going or why they make such bonehead moves.. Can u imagine what Ramsey must be going thru? This guy has given everything asked of him n more n all he gets back from the coaching staff is it's not good enough.. I am saying we r gonna regret this.. C'MON 3 PICKS FOR A QB WHO IS UNPROVEN!! He was rated average and he had 2 great RB's in college. This whole offseason has me down.. I'm not even looking forward to when we start playing..
I"M VERY PISSED ABOUT THIS!!!


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No we gave up all those picks in the hope that Campbell will lead us to a future Superbowl victory. Even if it is in two years or five years; if it happens, it will have been worth it.
Gibbs is doing something the FO and loose lipped Cerrato have not done since day one, Gibbs is building with an eye to the future, not this minute.
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Old 04-24-2005, 05:20 PM   #116
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[QUOTE=ArringtonRules]I don't care how good Campbell is.. THE PRICE WAS WAY TOO STEEP.. As alwayz our illustroius FO has fu**ed up again. How can u draft a QB when u have 3 on ur roster n u have more needs in DE, WR and other areas.. I just want to know what Gibbs and rest were smoking when they decided on this..
No wonder nobody wants to play for our organization. There is no clear direction from the mangement.. nobody knows where they are going or why they make such bonehead moves.. Can u imagine what Ramsey must be going thru? This guy has given everything asked of him n more n all he gets back from the coaching staff is it's not good enough.. I am saying we r gonna regret this.. C'MON 3 PICKS FOR A QB WHO IS UNPROVEN!! He was rated average and he had 2 great RB's in college. This whole offseason has me down.. I'm not even looking forward to when we start playing..
I"M VERY PISSED ABOUT THIS!!![/QUOTi

i love ramsey very much and want nothing more in the world than to see him succeed but what has he done in the last three years to give us reason not to want some insurance. its time for him to shit or get off the pot. if he succeeds we end up with a great young back up quarterback if not we got someone who might succeed. the draft is not just about filling holes you have this year its about building for the future and holes you may end up having down the road. think about it say we didnt draft a quarterback and ramsey sucks next year then what do we do. go find the next brunnell. great quarterbacks dont come in free agency very often because teams tend to hang onto them. this was a smart move by a brilliant man who i have all the confidence in the world in. i just wish more of us did.
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Old 04-24-2005, 06:21 PM   #117
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I would like to take this stupid test. As well as have a few friends of mine take it. Then compair those scores with the players. This way I would be able to really know what these scores really mean.
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Old 04-24-2005, 06:32 PM   #118
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And who here is naive enough to believe that a star college quarterback is taking all of his own tests? Anyone?
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Old 04-24-2005, 06:36 PM   #119
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Everyone who is saying that we should be more pissed about the cost of the pick instead of the pick itself is right. I don't hate Campbell as a player, but for the value? C'mon. I have not heard one legitimate arguement that this was great strategy... In posting this thread, all I intended was to give you an idea of what ONE former coach of our new rookie quarterback thinks of him. You're all free to take that with a grain of salt as you wish, if you look at my initial post I state that the man probably is not completely impartial. But why bash the kid to someone for no reason? Where's the motivation? You'd have to have a huge resentment for someone to do that and I don't really see it. But who knows... Take it for what it's worth.
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Old 04-24-2005, 06:39 PM   #120
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[/quote] the draft is not just about filling holes you have this year its about building for the future and holes you may end up having down the road. [/QUOTE]


Yes. But when we traded so many picks away for #25, we CREATED more holes in future drafts than we filled with this pick. I think that is the gripe everyone has. If we only needed a backup quarterback to provide depth, then great, it makes sense. BUT... that's not the case, is it?
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