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View Poll Results: Do you approve of the Jason Campbell pick?
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Old 04-24-2005, 06:51 PM   #121
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Re: Inside Opinion on Campbell

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No we gave up all those picks in the hope that Campbell will lead us to a future Superbowl victory. Even if it is in two years or five years; if it happens, it will have been worth it.
Gibbs is doing something the FO and loose lipped Cerrato have not done since day one, Gibbs is building with an eye to the future, not this minute.
Nobody's suggesting that Gibbs should not be thinking beyond next season. However, giving up a ridiculous amount of picks for a QB of Campbell's stature amounts to leveraging the team's future for zero immediate gain. In other words, the team will be extremely limited in next year's draft just so that we could snag Campbell today.
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Old 04-24-2005, 06:58 PM   #122
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Re: Inside Opinion on Campbell

He still has plenty of brains to run the offense we run!
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Old 04-24-2005, 07:08 PM   #123
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Yes. But when we traded so many picks away for #25, we CREATED more holes in future drafts than we filled with this pick. I think that is the gripe everyone has. If we only needed a backup quarterback to provide depth, then great, it makes sense. BUT... that's not the case, is it?

Actually we should get that third rounder back next year since we lost Fred Smoot, due to the league compensation rulings.

But still no first rounder.
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Old 04-24-2005, 08:02 PM   #124
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Re: We need to document the yeh's vs. the ney's concerning Campbell

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How do you figure we gave up two first round picks for Campbell? We only had the 9th pick in the first round this year, so in essence we gave up next years 1st & 4th plus this years 3rd for him. Considering how difficult it might be to sing a 1st rounder next year anyway, this could be a good move. Only time will tell whether it's good or not so good
I'm looking at the TOTAL price, not just the subtotal. When you consider how many total draft picks were invested in Jason Campbell, you get:

1st rounder (from the Broncos), #25 overall, 2005
3rd rounder (to the Broncos), #76 overall, 2005
1st rounder, 2006 (to the Broncos)
4th rounder, 2006 (to the Broncos)

That's TWO first rounders, a 3rd rounder and a 4th rounder that the Skins weren't able to use on other players. They used them ALL to pick Jason Campbell. If it makes you feel better, you can say we used the Bronco's first-rounder this year, IN ADDITION TO our 1st rounder next year in order to pick Jason Campbell.

When the draft comes around next year, and someone asks me who the Skins picked with their first rounder, I'll tell them "Jason Campbell". When that confused individual asks, "but didn't the Skins pick him last year?", I'll say, "yeah, but they spent their first rounder this year to pick him with someone else's first rounder last year". In other words, we spent a first rounder in 2005, AND a first rounder in 2006 in order to draft him.

You can't just toss out the pick that was acquired from the Broncos when considering the total price. That pick was spent, and it was spent on Jason Campbell.

Hope I cleared that up.
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Old 04-24-2005, 08:14 PM   #125
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Re: We need to document the yeh's vs. the ney's concerning Campbell

Campbell had two top 5 running backs in his offense, decent O-line, and an outstanding defense... Ramsey was killed at Tulane, so it's not really fair to say Jason is a better qb.
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Old 04-24-2005, 08:27 PM   #126
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SC, surely you make me laugh!
lol, come on offiss...even Arrington is a better QB that Ramsey
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Old 04-24-2005, 08:31 PM   #127
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Re: Inside Opinion on Campbell

The Wonderlic score I saw for Campbell was 28.
I think this was just sour grapes because Auburn spanked Ole Miss this season.
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Old 04-24-2005, 08:46 PM   #128
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Insurance? That's like buying flood insurance when you live on top of a mountain!
Hardly a fair quote. Ramsey does have awesome potential, but that potential won't protect him from injuries or not resigning with the team.
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Old 04-24-2005, 09:21 PM   #129
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Re: Inside Opinion on Campbell

Well I talked to this guy at the grocery store who told me he has an online girlfriend who lives in dallas that has a friend whos a guy (they're totally platonic he assured me) who works for the cowboys and he said that she said that he said that Campbell was on the phone with a guy named rick that works in their front office doing underground dirty work and they're gonna pay Campbell to spy on the redskins for the cowboys so that everyone knows what they're gonna be doing in games. I think we should lynch him.
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Old 04-24-2005, 09:36 PM   #130
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Past good to great qbs have done terribly on this end all be all wonderlic test so I don't think anyone should take it all that seriously. Cambell seemed to do pretty good this past year dispite being under his 4th Offensive Coordinator, one of which is the guy who supposedly dissed Cambell, so like others who have posted similar opinions, I'll wait until I see the kid preform on the field. and like I said in another thread, Cambell will be working with a qb/offensive coach who recently had really good success with adjusting and furthering the abilities of a similarly talented qb in Byron Leftwich. Plus he has 2 years to learn while Ramsey tries to prove that the team should be his or to increase his potential value in a future trade next year.
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Old 04-24-2005, 10:12 PM   #131
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Re: Inside Opinion on Campbell

Everybody said Marino was an idiot (debatable) and he slid to the second to last pick in the first round. At this point, I wouldn't mind having an idiot QB like marino get us to the playoffs (never mind worrying about SuperBowls).
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Old 04-25-2005, 12:56 AM   #132
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Re: (Merged) Jason Campbell

My final thoughts about the Campbell pick:

Gibbs said from day one when he came back: we need QB depth. After the Brunnell fiasco, and after watching Haselbeck enough, he conluded that going into the futre, we don't have QB depth. I agree with that.

So, how do you fix it? First, is FA. We do not have the cap space to get a serious QB, and wont next year. QB is expensive. We can't build with an aging vet QB, and we sucked that up already. So it's the draft.

What's out there in the draft? Well, we've got the #9, But man, we've got needs on D after losing Smoot and Pierce--the D was serious last year, and we need to maintain that. ANd we need to keep Williams happy and in the fold. Plus, the draft is chock full of CBs, so a potential rookie starter/3rd CB is going to be there. Gotta use the 9 for a CB. Ok, now what? We need a decent prospect here, or there's no point. So trade for a pick. What's available? Work the phones and the most reasonable deal is Denver's #25--you do the "value chart" and we come out pretty good (remember how insistent they were about that at the presser). Still, is there anyone likely to be at 25 and worth the pick? SF is taking a QB, but there's this kid at AUburn, projected high second rounder. Let's get Musgrave, and scout him. He impresses in the scout, and he's got the character/intangibles. 4 years, 4 diff systems, improved every year, a winner, etc. Musgrave says "I can make a Leftwich outta him."

So we make the trade, sweat it out after Pasta blows our cover, and get our guy. Was it worth it? If we could have gotten down to the high second round and still gotten him (likely, I suppose), then we paid too much. But the initial trade itself was ok value wise, so just think we used a little too much value--not this 4 picks thing. It's about this year/next year, need, etc. By the chart (if you buy that sort of thing) it's not so bad.

Now, is this kid any good? The draft is a crap shoot. We'll see. Did we even need a QB? Well, Ramsey, Brunnell, and Haselbeck ain't depth, and it aint improving. Now next year, it's all Ramsey--he can take it if he's got the skills. But 2006 is his contract year. And Brunnell is gone and Haselbeck just isnt a starting QB. So we needed to address this issue. Oh, and #25 QBs on a rookie contract is a real bargain, IF the guy is good.

So I'm ok with it. And that's all the thought I'm gonna give it.
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Old 04-25-2005, 08:48 AM   #133
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Re: Inside Opinion on Campbell

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Actually we should get that third rounder back next year since we lost Fred Smoot, due to the league compensation rulings.

But still no first rounder.
Actually, I bet we get only a 5th or 6th, the draft compensation is based on PAST performance and salary. Neither of which were overwhelming for either Smoot or Pierce. I wouldn't be surprised if we only get a couple of 6's or maybe a 5 and 7.

Philly always gets good comp picks because they let aging players who have been to pro bowls and are looking for a 2nd or 3rd big payday (Vincent, Taylor, Douglas) rather than taking their first foray into unrestricted land (like Smoot and Pierce). The also avoid losing their own up and coming players by giving them good new contracts prior to their 1st contract running out. (as they are trying to do with Westbrook, and tried todo with Simon).
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Old 04-25-2005, 09:09 AM   #134
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Re: (Merged) Jason Campbell

Just chiming in on the Campbell pick. Everybody has said all that really needs to be said (about 3 or 4 times).

I agree w/ JoeCrisp. If we had had the 25th pick in addition to the 9th pick already AND Campbell fell to us - fine. But to trade away next year's first, well, that's just not value.

As for Campbell himself - he could go either way. He clearly has the physical tools and the only question is whether he has the smarts to play QB in the NFL. And by smarts, of course I mean football smarts - Can he learn to recognize defenses and think quick enough to adjust to them in the 10-15 seconds he gets before the snap and the 2 -3 seconds he gets after it? Only time will tell. He has a good history, played for winners, but he had apparantly had pretty good support all around him - Comparable to having several pro-bowlers, both offense and defense, on an NFL team.

Gibbs made a living out of "coaching up" late round QB's. Rypien was a 6th, Humphries a 4th(?), Schroeder a 3rd(?). Seemed to me, w/out making the trade, their were some pretty decent QB's in the 3rd round or later.

After much contemplation - count me as a nay on the pick. But ONLY b/c of the trade to get the pick.

The draft is a crapshoot. A good quality pick at the top of the 1st can generally be counted on to be, at least, a solid starter in the first year or two. After that, it's quantity not quality. Beyond two or three players - everybody's guessing. Better to take multiple shots. This franchise's cavalier attitude towards picks drives me to drink.

With all that said, and while I still like Ramsey and hope he does well, I hope this pans out for the best. Maybe it will, but I just don't see it.
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Old 04-25-2005, 02:43 PM   #135
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How about we see this kid on the field before we write him off.

The overreactions on this site are almost comical lately.
No doubt.

The real upside to this year's draft, though, is the probable reduction of overinflated predictions of success. We may just do well if no one on this site calls for 14-2.
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