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Old 12-17-2014, 07:25 PM   #16
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Great post Starry! I read that Collins is more of a strong safety as well but has the talent to transition to a FS role.

My hope is that we sign Iupati to take the LG position, moving Lauvao to RG. Moses showed promise to me, if he had another year to develop with a strong coach he could start. His injury worries me.

If Cooper is as good as they say he is I would consider drafting him then trade Garcon. But I like to take risk.
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Old 12-17-2014, 08:03 PM   #17
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So you're among those that say if an offensive lineman(or any position I suppose) isn't good enough to start as a rookie, he'll never be good enough? Why wouldn't you give Long and Moses another season at the very least before writing them off "useless?"
Long is useless right now because he isn't playing and I have to wonder if Long will ever be able to start if he can't beat out Chester. Moses is hurt, of course, but I doubt that he'll ever be a stud at OT. LeRibeus is ballast.

I believe that a dominant (not just good enough) OL is key to the long term success of a team. That's why I want two studs for the OL. Long and Moses may be OK as backups.
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Old 12-17-2014, 08:26 PM   #18
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I want Leonard Williams. We need studs to create inside pressure. Even the Addition of just Hatcher this year has made the world of a difference with Kerrigan, imagine adding a Gerald Mccoy type prospect to that mix.
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Old 12-17-2014, 11:55 PM   #19
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Trade down, get an OL, S or DE whatever the best player at that position who's available. If RGIII is traded, then I would consider Mariota.
I agree, trade back in the first round, and add picks. They need help everywhere..... OL, TE, S, QB, - and good scouts / GM
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Long is useless right now because he isn't playing and I have to wonder if Long will ever be able to start if he can't beat out Chester. Moses is hurt, of course, but I doubt that he'll ever be a stud at OT. LeRibeus is ballast.

I believe that a dominant (not just good enough) OL is key to the long term success of a team. That's why I want two studs for the OL. Long and Moses may be OK as backups.
I don't understand why fans and more importantly, our FO does not realize this.
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Old 12-18-2014, 12:21 AM   #21
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McShay is an idiot!! He said that our biggest need was a pass rusher!?!?
ummmm O-LINE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Old 12-18-2014, 01:00 AM   #22
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McShay is an idiot!! He said that our biggest need was a pass rusher!?!?
ummmm O-LINE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
He didn't say that was our biggest need he said Shane Ray would fill a need.
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Old 12-18-2014, 01:00 AM   #23
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I want us to draft oline and oline and oline. Maybe trade down and get more oline. It's the more important part of the team. It'll help us run, pass. a safety is needed but that won't have the impact of oline oline and oline
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Old 12-18-2014, 01:39 AM   #24
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The redskins need big bodies. I've been harping on this the last two years. BPA at OL or front seven. Do this over and over until we are elite there. If we happen into the top two you could seriously consider a QB - which is the only position more important than big bodies. If our big players are better than other teams, we have a coach and a QB, we'll win a bunch of games. If not we probably won't. It's not rocket science it's football.
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Old 12-18-2014, 06:09 AM   #25
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Great post Starry! I read that Collins is more of a strong safety as well but has the talent to transition to a FS role.

My hope is that we sign Iupati to take the LG position, moving Lauvao to RG. Moses showed promise to me, if he had another year to develop with a strong coach he could start. His injury worries me.

If Cooper is as good as they say he is I would consider drafting him then trade Garcon. But I like to take risk.
Seen that myself chief. Collins' speed and athleticism is there to see as the scouts have noted, and its what puts him in a position to make plays in coverage right now. I guess my concern with that then is that its fine in college, but will it translate to the pros where instincts are what separates the truly great safeties from the rest of the bunch? Dont get me wrong I think hell be a heck of a player but again, top 5 is just a little high for me. if its a true ball-hawk youre after then Gerod Holliman, who I mentioned on another thread previously has the off the chart instincts which Collins lacks, but as a tackler hes non-existent. Reluctant in fact it seems when it comes to contact. Makes me wonder if I truly had to pick one player based on skillset, what would I be reassured is the easier to coach into a player through time and experience? Play recognition? Or technique(/guts!)?

I considered Iupati myself as it goes, but I still like the idea of using the draft to address the trenches early on, and FA for skill positions. My ideal draft would be to trade down in the 1st if possible and hopefully acquire an additional 2nd in the process. With both those picks then, if we could come away with Eddie Goldman and Malcolm Brown (Texas) to name two personal preferences, then thats a pair of immediate contributors to go alongside the few talented guys we currently have on the defensive front. But going back to the offensive line then, Id love for Long and Moses to work out and its still very early days. But as it stands, its an area of genuine weakness both in terms of starters and depth. Its why Id take TJ Clemmings with our existing 2nd, and hope that someone like Spencer Drango (Baylor) is available in the 4th, as like Clemmings, he can play inside or outside and whilst hes more of the big bodied type, his agility is impressive for his frame. CBS has him pegged as a 2nd rounder admittedly, but he missed last season with a back injury which required surgery, so I would imagine teams will be mindful of that, especially given the position he plays.

As for Cooper, all things said I honestly wouldnt be surprised if he is indeed the pick tbh. I get the argument that receiver is a luxury right now given the holes in the rest of the team, but if hes there at #5 and youre going into the draft with a BPA mentality, then youd be genuinely hard pressed to find someone better. He just does everything so well and I love watching the kid play. Hed also be an upgrade over Garcon, who appears to be talking himself out of DC.
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Old 12-18-2014, 10:07 AM   #26
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As of now we have the 5th pick...we would probably miss out on Lenoard Williams who is top prospect. With 5th I would take top OT available. If we do lose out we have the possibility of being as high as #2 pick but no lower than the #4 pick. I think the #3 pick would put us is a great spot for Williams or possibly a trade if someone wants one of the QB's if Williams is picked in one of top 2 spots.
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Trade down, get an OL, S or DE whatever the best player at that position who's available. If RGIII is traded, then I would consider Mariota.
Yep! I agree. Trade down!
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i would have to say peat or sheriff ,we need o-line help so bad.
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Old 12-18-2014, 10:41 AM   #29
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Definitely OL. One thing that's tough about pass rushers is the bust-rate. I read an article a few years back saying that was one of the most "busted" positions outside of WR. OL has the lowest bust rate of any position.

Jury is still out on Murphy, but right now he's looking like a better Adam Carriker.
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Definitely OL. One thing that's tough about pass rushers is the bust-rate. I read an article a few years back saying that was one of the most "busted" positions outside of WR. OL has the lowest bust rate of any position.

Jury is still out on Murphy, but right now he's looking like a better Adam Carriker.
I wasnt sold on the Murphy pick admittedly, more down to the logic behind it at the time (pretty sure it happened after wed resigned Orakpo), but hes been quietly grading out pretty well. Only a few weeks back he was ranked 4th highest OLB in a 3-4 scheme against the run, which for a rookie is a very nice return.
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