NASCAR: JGR caught cheating

jsarno · 08-19-2008, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by FRPLG

Doesn't everyone "cheat" in NASCAR? I have always thought the "cheaters" were just the ones who have been caught? It's so institutional that it's almost not cheating to do it.

No, not everyone in NASCAR cheats. That's why they have MASSIVE inspections after races to catch people cheating.

All of you that feel it's ok to cheat, be sure to look your son or daughter in the eye and tell them if you're not cheating, you're not trying!

SmootSmack · 08-19-2008, 10:48 PM

From my limited experience with NASCAR, it's no secret that every team tests the limits of the rulebook to the fullest. That's not to say they cheat, just everyone is looking for whatever competitive advantage they can find and exploit the grey areas of the rules to do so. It's been that way since the dawn of the sport, and it's a big reason why there are such massive inspections before and after each race. In some cases, the "cheating" has led to new rules and innovations for the sport over the years

skinsfan_nn · 08-19-2008, 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

From my limited experience with NASCAR, it's no secret that every team tests the limits of the rulebook to the fullest. That's not to say they cheat, just everyone is looking for whatever competitive advantage they can find and exploit the grey areas of the rules to do so. It's been that way since the dawn of the sport, and it's a big reason why there are such massive inspections before and after each race. In some cases, the "cheating" has led to new rules and innovations for the sport over the years

Yea thats right was that a dipole, quadrupole a sextupole or just one of those cheapie magnets off the refrigerator under that gas pedal..?

skinsfan_nn · 08-20-2008, 11:40 AM

50k Fines and crew chiefs were suspended indefinitely. Also cost both drivers 150 points. Should be lesson learned the old fashioned way.

ESPN - Stewart, Logano each docked 150 points; crew chiefs suspended - Racing

SmootSmack · 08-20-2008, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by skinsfan_nn

50k Fines and crew chiefs were suspended indefinitely. Also cost both drivers 150 points. Should be lesson learned the old fashioned way.

ESPN - Stewart, Logano each docked 150 points; crew chiefs suspended - Racing

The crew members have been suspended by JGR for at least the rest of this season plus they are levying monetary fines on them.

jsarno · 08-20-2008, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

From my limited experience with NASCAR, it's no secret that every team tests the limits of the rulebook to the fullest. That's not to say they cheat, just everyone is looking for whatever competitive advantage they can find and exploit the grey areas of the rules to do so. It's been that way since the dawn of the sport, and it's a big reason why there are such massive inspections before and after each race. In some cases, the "cheating" has led to new rules and innovations for the sport over the years

There is a big difference between finding a competitive advantage and cheating. The magnets were cheating plain and simple.

FRPLG · 08-20-2008, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by jsarno

There is a big difference between finding a competitive advantage and cheating. The magnets were cheating plain and simple.

I don't think that line is a big as you think. I believe the feeling in the garage is that if they don't say you can't do it then go for it. The magnets are obviously outside the spirit of the rules but I'd bet the idea was hatched out of a mindset of competitive adavantge and not cheating.

jsarno · 08-20-2008, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by FRPLG

I don't think that line is a big as you think. I believe the feeling in the garage is that if they don't say you can't do it then go for it. The magnets are obviously outside the spirit of the rules but I'd bet the idea was hatched out of a mindset of competitive adavantge and not cheating.

If that were true, the fines / penalties would not have been so severe.

Even the rookie NASCAR fans know you can't add or delete items to a car.

SmootSmack · 08-20-2008, 06:06 PM

I think the fines levied by NASCAR sound more severe than they are. The docking of points is irrelevant, that was Stewart's final Nationwide race of the year. And neither he nor Logano is racing for a Nationwide title this year. Even with the penalty, JGR is still solidly in first place in owner standings. The biggest deterrent is really to Logano in that he won't get to work with his crew for the rest of the season (but that was JGR's decision).

skinsfan_nn · 08-20-2008, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I think the fines levied by NASCAR sound more severe than they are. The docking of points is irrelevant, that was Stewart's final Nationwide race of the year. And neither he nor Logano is racing for a Nationwide title this year. Even with the penalty, JGR is still solidly in first place in owner standings. The biggest deterrent is really to Logano in that he won't get to work with his crew for the rest of the season (but that was JGR's decision).

Yes that was a JGR's decision, and a smart one. If I had to guess that one came from the Top down, I would have to think Joe made the final call on that one.

And I agree with it, very smart business move. Crisis management!

FRPLG · 08-20-2008, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by jsarno

If that were true, the fines / penalties would not have been so severe.

Even the rookie NASCAR fans know you can't add or delete items to a car.

I think you're being a litle naive on this man. NASCAR can't look like they condone cheating even though it is entrenched in the entire industry. When cheaters get caught they get hammered. The question is though how many don't get cuaght? I'd be an awful lot. And you don't see NASCAR going on a Goodellesque manhunt.

08-19-2008, 10:48 PM	#17
SmootSmack Mad Men Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 43,105	Re: NASCAR: JGR caught cheating From my limited experience with NASCAR, it's no secret that every team tests the limits of the rulebook to the fullest. That's not to say they cheat, just everyone is looking for whatever competitive advantage they can find and exploit the grey areas of the rules to do so. It's been that way since the dawn of the sport, and it's a big reason why there are such massive inspections before and after each race. In some cases, the "cheating" has led to new rules and innovations for the sport over the years __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

08-20-2008, 11:40 AM	#19
skinsfan_nn Playmaker Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Newport News,Virginia Age: 48 Posts: 4,495	Re: NASCAR: JGR caught cheating 50k Fines and crew chiefs were suspended indefinitely. Also cost both drivers 150 points. Should be lesson learned the old fashioned way. ESPN - Stewart, Logano each docked 150 points; crew chiefs suspended - Racing __________________ "There's no greater feeling than moving a man from Point A to Point B, against his will." #68 THANKS COACH GIBBS FOR EVERYTHING! YOUR THE MAN AND ALWAYS WILL BE!

08-20-2008, 06:06 PM	#24
SmootSmack Mad Men Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 43,105	Re: NASCAR: JGR caught cheating I think the fines levied by NASCAR sound more severe than they are. The docking of points is irrelevant, that was Stewart's final Nationwide race of the year. And neither he nor Logano is racing for a Nationwide title this year. Even with the penalty, JGR is still solidly in first place in owner standings. The biggest deterrent is really to Logano in that he won't get to work with his crew for the rest of the season (but that was JGR's decision). __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

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