NASCAR: JGR caught cheating

skinsfan_nn · 08-17-2008, 09:00 PM

Magnets under the gas pedals, not very wise. Joe will not tolerate this type of conduct on his prized race team.

The guilty team members, crew chiefs/parties involved will pay a heavy price for there uncalled for actions. Yea, I know if your not cheating your not winning........crap

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Dlyne8r · 08-18-2008, 01:07 PM

Yeah, I don't think JG will take long in showing those responsible the door. This is nowhere near his M.O. However, if you were to poll all the teams in the garage I'd bet a months's salary that you would not find another team that doesn't stretch the rules...it's all part of the NASCAR culture. If this is true though, this was a little more than "stretching" the rules and there will be hell to pay.

Daseal · 08-18-2008, 02:15 PM

Im with DK -- can't Give Gibbs all the credit for the good and deflect all blame for the bad. I'm sure it's a mixture of both.

GhettoDogAllStars · 08-18-2008, 02:27 PM

If this weren't Joe Gibbs, I'd say the owner had no idea what was going on. They aren't that involved in the day-to-day stuff.

However, I know Joe Gibbs likes to be involved, so perhaps he knew -- but, I doubt it. It's a dirty thing to do, and I think JG is a man of character. I don't know him personally though, so maybe I'm wrong.

SmootSmack · 08-18-2008, 02:35 PM

It's more than likely a case of a couple of crew members doing what they should not have done without any prodding from or knowledge by Joe or JD. However, if one would like to put the blame on a higher up in the organization it should be JD long before Joe. Joe Gibbs is not nearly as involved with the inner workings in the garage to the extend that JD Gibbs is.

Joe Gibbs involvement is more in terms of big picture/long term dealings (bringing in Kyle Busch, letting Tony Stewart go), sponsorships, marketing.

Daseal · 08-18-2008, 02:41 PM

I don't follow racing in the least, but Gibbs didn't let Stewart go did he? Didn't Stewart get an offer to more or less be a big part of his own racing company?

SmootSmack · 08-18-2008, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Daseal

I don't follow racing in the least, but Gibbs didn't let Stewart go did he? Didn't Stewart get an offer to more or less be a big part of his own racing company?

I don't mean letting him go like he fired him. I mean they spent months discussing Stewart's future with the team, and they discussed possible ownership opportunities within JGR for Stewart. Ultmately though the decisions was agreed upon that Stewart would go his own way, and Gibbs agreed to let him out of his contract a year early

jsarno · 08-18-2008, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

It's more than likely a case of a couple of crew members doing what they should not have done without any prodding from or knowledge by Joe or JD. However, if one would like to put the blame on a higher up in the organization it should be JD long before Joe. Joe Gibbs is not nearly as involved with the inner workings in the garage to the extend that JD Gibbs is.

Joe Gibbs involvement is more in terms of big picture/long term dealings (bringing in Kyle Busch, letting Tony Stewart go), sponsorships, marketing.

What I am not understanding is how this could happen across two separate teams. These kinds of issues are higher up issues...people that are involved in the whole team (JGR) not individual teams. This means JGR has a serious issue. I do not think Joe Gibbs himself would make this kind of call. However it would not shock me to see someone Gibbs trusts very much to be the culprit.

FRPLG · 08-19-2008, 02:01 AM

Doesn't everyone "cheat" in NASCAR? I have always thought the "cheaters" were just the ones who have been caught? It's so institutional that it's almost not cheating to do it.

birdz4gibbs · 08-19-2008, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Daseal

I don't follow racing in the least, but Gibbs didn't let Stewart go did he? Didn't Stewart get an offer to more or less be a big part of his own racing company?

yes 50% of hass cnc racing ..now stewart haas racing.
smoke decided to leave..my 2 cents worth on this deal is whoever did this should and will be shown the door looking for employment elsewhere...joe gibbs and JGR are too good to cheat unlike other organizations but i,d be lying if i said they don,t cheat..heck all of them cheat.....but JGR cheating it,s hard to put into words really but this is nascar afterall and sometimes you have to push the envelope...

wait and see and should be interesting...

birdz4gibbs · 08-19-2008, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I don't mean letting him go like he fired him. I mean they spent months discussing Stewart's future with the team, and they discussed possible ownership opportunities within JGR for Stewart. Ultmately though the decisions was agreed upon that Stewart would go his own way, and Gibbs agreed to let him out of his contract a year early

right on smootsmack... it was hard on smoke to leave an organization he has spent his whole career with thus far and then decided to leave on his terms..
and gibbs did indeed agreed on the release of his final year....

it,s what he wanted to do be owner/driver..

Hog1 · 08-19-2008, 04:22 PM

If your not cheatin', your not tryin'.....-Joe Gibbs

............I think not

mooby · 08-19-2008, 05:08 PM

So this idea isn't substantiated by anything, let alone a rumor, but lets just say the culprit is Joe Gibbs' son, do you think Gibbs would have a hard time letting him go if that was true?

firstdown · 08-19-2008, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by GhettoDogAllStars

If this weren't Joe Gibbs, I'd say the owner had no idea what was going on. They aren't that involved in the day-to-day stuff.

However, I know Joe Gibbs likes to be involved, so perhaps he knew -- but, I doubt it. It's a dirty thing to do, and I think JG is a man of character. I don't know him personally though, so maybe I'm wrong.

Yea, I bet Gibbs is under those cars turning wrenches and fighting his guts out!

skinsfan_nn · 08-19-2008, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by mooby

So this idea isn't substantiated by anything, let alone a rumor, but lets just say the culprit is Joe Gibbs' son, do you think Gibbs would have a hard time letting him go if that was true?

First of all, I strongly doubt Joe OR JD had any knowledge of this magnet under the gas pedal to begin with at all!

Secondly, do you actually think Joe would fire his son that for all practical purposes runs the racing team and has been for years and will continue to after Joe fully retires....? Hell no he wouldn't, that's family. I think almost everyone here knows how important family is to Joe, that ain't happening in this lifetime!

08-17-2008, 09:00 PM	#1
skinsfan_nn Playmaker Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Newport News,Virginia Age: 48 Posts: 4,495	NASCAR: JGR caught cheating Magnets under the gas pedals, not very wise. Joe will not tolerate this type of conduct on his prized race team. The guilty team members, crew chiefs/parties involved will pay a heavy price for there uncalled for actions. Yea, I know if your not cheating your not winning........crap Gibbs Racing Faces Penalties for Cheating - AOL Sports __________________ "There's no greater feeling than moving a man from Point A to Point B, against his will." #68 THANKS COACH GIBBS FOR EVERYTHING! YOUR THE MAN AND ALWAYS WILL BE!

08-18-2008, 01:07 PM	#2
Dlyne8r Special Teams Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The ATL Posts: 467	Re: NASCAR: JGR caught cheating Yeah, I don't think JG will take long in showing those responsible the door. This is nowhere near his M.O. However, if you were to poll all the teams in the garage I'd bet a months's salary that you would not find another team that doesn't stretch the rules...it's all part of the NASCAR culture. If this is true though, this was a little more than "stretching" the rules and there will be hell to pay. __________________ Charmed your drug addled candor knows no bounds

08-18-2008, 02:15 PM	#3
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, Virginia Age: 30 Posts: 8,058	Re: NASCAR: JGR caught cheating Im with DK -- can't Give Gibbs all the credit for the good and deflect all blame for the bad. I'm sure it's a mixture of both. __________________ Best. Player. Available.

08-18-2008, 02:27 PM	#4
GhettoDogAllStars Playmaker Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Denver Age: 31 Posts: 2,759	Re: NASCAR: JGR caught cheating If this weren't Joe Gibbs, I'd say the owner had no idea what was going on. They aren't that involved in the day-to-day stuff. However, I know Joe Gibbs likes to be involved, so perhaps he knew -- but, I doubt it. It's a dirty thing to do, and I think JG is a man of character. I don't know him personally though, so maybe I'm wrong. __________________ To succeed in the world it is not enough to be stupid, you must also be well-mannered.

08-18-2008, 02:35 PM	#5
SmootSmack Mad Men Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 43,102	Re: NASCAR: JGR caught cheating It's more than likely a case of a couple of crew members doing what they should not have done without any prodding from or knowledge by Joe or JD. However, if one would like to put the blame on a higher up in the organization it should be JD long before Joe. Joe Gibbs is not nearly as involved with the inner workings in the garage to the extend that JD Gibbs is. Joe Gibbs involvement is more in terms of big picture/long term dealings (bringing in Kyle Busch, letting Tony Stewart go), sponsorships, marketing. __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

08-18-2008, 02:41 PM	#6
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, Virginia Age: 30 Posts: 8,058	Re: NASCAR: JGR caught cheating I don't follow racing in the least, but Gibbs didn't let Stewart go did he? Didn't Stewart get an offer to more or less be a big part of his own racing company? __________________ Best. Player. Available.

08-19-2008, 02:01 AM	#9
FRPLG Franchise Player Join Date: May 2004 Age: 34 Posts: 9,232	Re: NASCAR: JGR caught cheating Doesn't everyone "cheat" in NASCAR? I have always thought the "cheaters" were just the ones who have been caught? It's so institutional that it's almost not cheating to do it.

08-19-2008, 04:22 PM	#12
Hog1 Quietly Dominating the East Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Naples, Florida Posts: 8,376	Re: NASCAR: JGR caught cheating If your not cheatin', your not tryin'.....-Joe Gibbs ............I think not __________________ Goodbye Sean..........Vaya Con Dios thankyou Joe....... Win! Always win! By fair means or foul, by soft words and hard deeds... by treachery, by cunning, by malpractice... but always win--Edward Teach

08-19-2008, 05:08 PM	#13
mooby MVP Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: NoVa Age: 24 Posts: 11,179	Re: NASCAR: JGR caught cheating So this idea isn't substantiated by anything, let alone a rumor, but lets just say the culprit is Joe Gibbs' son, do you think Gibbs would have a hard time letting him go if that was true?

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