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Old 05-20-2008, 06:22 PM   #181
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JoeRedskin, I haven't forgotten about you. Sit tight, you'll have thorough response when I manage to get some free time.
No worries. I assumed as much. You wacko lefty commies always take forever to figure out the intellectual stuff.
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Old 05-21-2008, 10:56 AM   #182
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Oil prices continue to soar...

Crude oil sets a new record above $130 a barrel on Wednesday - May. 21, 2008
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Old 05-21-2008, 12:12 PM   #183
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Why is hydrgen our best bet? That sounds like one of the "common knowledge" innaccruacies to me. And why would oil companies struggle to make money off a resource like that? And while we're at it where did I say making money was going to be easy anyways? I thought I made a clear argument that gov't needs to artificially create a market where oil can make money. We'd need to create motivation.

I also tend to think that gov't sponsored research could do the trick. I just notice that history suggests it'll take 30 years before we get anything usable. For fast effective solutions history suggest the free market beats gov't research pants off.
What I discussed with Daseal is a Nuclear/Hydrogen combo. Nuclear power would give us enough cheap, green electricity to power home hydrogen generation stations (extract hydrogen via electrolysis) that would allow us to fill our cars in our garage.
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Old 05-21-2008, 12:16 PM   #184
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I don't have enought posts to start a thread on this, so maybe someone else can do that, but how f'n dumb is it to propose "suing" OPEC? For those of you who do not know, our wonderful Congress has passed legislation making it possible to sue OPEC with our antitrust laws. Dumb, dumb, and dumber! This was a bi-partisan effort as well, talk about political pandering! OPEC controls roughly 40 % of the world's oil, and they are heavily invested in our oil infrastructure, i.e. refineries. What do you think is going to happen if we sue them? They'll just stop production, refuse to sell to the U.S. or shut down the refineries here. Talk about gas prices skyrocketing, doubling or tripling over night! While armies of lawyers fight that out, the American people would have years of 7$7-8 dollar gas! Remember when those families sued Libya over that airline bombing in Europe? That litigation dragged on for years! I hope Bush is smart enough to veto this piece of crap. Yes, the price of gas is awful, but both political parties put us in this situation, they both share the blame. However, despite the high price, at least gas is available for sale. If anyone is old enough to remember the 70s, then remember that gas was not even available, it was literally rationed out as people waited in gas lines for hours and hours. I'll gladly pay $4/gallon if I can get it now as opposed to reliving the 70s oil embargo.
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I totally agree and have said that I would love for the Republicans to present a bill just for exploration of oil in Anwr and other areas just to make people either vote for or against. This would be perfect timing with the current gas prices.
The Dems just voted one down LAST WEEK.

Idiots. They still claim "but it will take years to develop!"

That's MORE of a reason to start it NOW. If they HAD voted for it during the Clinton years, we'd be using that oil TODAY.

The real reason they won't vote for it because their campaigns are funded by environmentalists who oppose it and will stop writing checks if they do what's right for America.
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Old 05-22-2008, 11:46 AM   #186
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Old 05-22-2008, 12:59 PM   #187
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For the people who do not want to go thread hunting here is a link to that post and everyone should read to know on of the main causes for high oil prices. To add to that the far left has stopped just about everthing we have tried to pass in the past couple of years for oil exploration, oil refineries, nuclear, natural gas etc... saying they are protecting the enviroment. Newsmax.com - Senate Blocks ANWR Oil Exploration
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buster, did you read that article? John McCain missed the vote, but said he would have voted against it, also. maybe its not just Dem's that have their campaigns funded by environmentalists?
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buster, did you read that article? John McCain missed the vote, but said he would have voted against it, also. maybe its not just Dem's that have their campaigns funded by environmentalists?
The article said that a few Rep. voted against some of these Bills which there is a few that are more liberal than conservative. Its like here in Va Dems tend to lean more to the middle than to the left. McCain is clearly not the best choice for the Rep. but thats who we got.

Let me clear up that last statement. I vote most of the time Rep. but on several occasions have felt that the Dem was the better choice and voted for them.
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Gas went from $3.85 on Wednesday to $4.02 on Friday. WTF I think it literally went up 3 times in one day.
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In the summer, in Maryland, gas is required to have a certain additive (it's an anti-pollution measure). B/c of the additive is more costly AND has been limited in its production, gas prices will see an additional spike above the increased costs of oil.
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Old 05-24-2008, 10:21 PM   #192
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On the Today show a while back a spokesman for a group of economist said they expected prices to cap out at 12-15 bucks. I find that high, but I bet the current price stays around. Supply and demand -- our lack of foresight is killing us once again. It seems like we never try to be proactive.
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[QUOTE=Buster;449559]The Dems just voted one down LAST WEEK.

Idiots. They still claim "but it will take years to develop!"

That's MORE of a reason to start it NOW. If they HAD voted for it during the Clinton years, we'd be using that oil TODAY.

The real reason they won't vote for it because their campaigns are funded by environmentalists who oppose it and will stop writing checks if they do what's right for America.""

I will tell you and everyone now. Any one who votes against drilling in the states will not get my vote. I would think that running against someone voting again on shore drilling would not be too difficult. All one would have to do is run a commercial stating what your opponent has done about high gas prices and what you will do
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Gas went from $3.85 on Wednesday to $4.02 on Friday. WTF I think it literally went up 3 times in one day.
I recall reading that, in VA at least, it can only go up once per day. The idea was to keep gas stations from implicitly colluding. I haven't verified there is a law on the books, though.
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I will tell you and everyone now. Any one who votes against drilling in the states will not get my vote. I would think that running against someone voting again on shore drilling would not be too difficult. All one would have to do is run a commercial stating what your opponent has done about high gas prices and what you will do
all 3 are against the drilling. now what do you do?
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