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Old 01-08-2007, 01:52 PM   #31
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What isn't right is that they dropped out of high school. That tells me they are lazy and not willing to finish their job. They know when dropping out that they are going to have a tough time making a living so thats a poor argument,
So you're saying today's high school dropouts are worth 14.8% less than the high school dropouts from 7 years ago?

I'd strongly disagree. I'd say they're equally worthless. But since this country has a minimum wage (in place to prevent crime), they need to keep it's value consistent with the rising cost of living.
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Old 01-08-2007, 01:54 PM   #32
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I didn't even get a 1% percent raise last year. I expressed my opinion during the yearly review about that. Two months later 35 employees were layed off, mostly irrelevant and overpaid territory sales staff. So, I decided to give them another chance...
One of the problems with corporations is they get too big for their britches when they're having success. They starting hiring all kinds of people, a lot of the time less-deserving folks. Then when the business doesn't do as well, they have to make cuts, and that affects the solid employees as well, which is some bullhooey.

I wouldn't stick around somewhere for too long if the company couldn't even muster a 2% cost of living raise.
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Old 01-08-2007, 02:50 PM   #33
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What isn't right is that they dropped out of high school. That tells me they are lazy and not willing to finish their job. They know when dropping out that they are going to have a tough time making a living so thats a poor argument,
A friend of mine dropped out of high school in order to get a job (minimum wage) so that he wouldn't have to remain under his physically abusive dad's roof any longer than he had to. Laziness is one of last words you would use to describe him. There are more reasons than "laziness" why someone would drop out of high school.
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Old 01-08-2007, 03:24 PM   #34
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You have to remember also that not all areas of the country are like the Northern Virginia / Maryland area. Go up to Flint Michigan and try to find a job. You simply can't. That turns into a vicious circle. You can't get a job, so you can't afford to move away to a more expensive area.

Just because someone doesn't have a college diploma, do they deserve to be trash? I worked at a job where a lot of employees made 10 bucks an hour and under. Most of these people were extremely hard working, they'd put in more than their share of time, and deserved much more than they were given. They need to have a living wage, not a minimum wage.

By the way. If there's a family in poverty and if they have a child, they can only afford for one of the family members to work. The cost of child care is so high that you have to make 11 bucks an hour, 40 hours a week, in order for you to make any money after the cost of child care. That's a reason why a lot of single mothers get stuck on welfare. I know we had a single mother who was on welfare come to work with us, and she wanted nothing more than to work, but she couldn't afford it. Once her child was enrolled in school, she started to work.

Pegging everyone not making a huge living as "lazy" is one of the most ignorant things I've ever heard in my life. Some people get put into bad situations, and many of us here have the families that can help us if we get into a rut? Some people don't have any sort of safety net. Hell, just getting sick for a month without insurance could put you in such a world of financial hurt you may never be able to recover.

I think we should look at some of the ways our country spends money, and think about how we could spend that better at home. The military is a double edged sword. Their budget is ridiculously huge, but they create a lot of jobs for some of the lower class we're talking about.

There are tons of places we could find money and get our standard of living into the top 20 again. We need to start looking at ourselves, and let other countries deal with themselves (within reason, of course)
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Old 01-10-2007, 05:35 PM   #35
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One of the problems with corporations is they get too big for their britches when they're having success. They starting hiring all kinds of people, a lot of the time less-deserving folks. Then when the business doesn't do as well, they have to make cuts, and that affects the solid employees as well, which is some bullhooey.

I wouldn't stick around somewhere for too long if the company couldn't even muster a 2% cost of living raise.
Just got my review today...3 1/2% increase. Whoo-hoo! I'm going to Sizzlin'.
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Old 01-10-2007, 06:13 PM   #36
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Let's see what happens when the Senate gets a hold of this...


'100 hours': House passes minimum wage hike - CNN.com
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Old 01-11-2007, 08:28 AM   #38
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President Bush has come out and said that he doesn't like the bill because it doesn't do enough to support Small Business...I smell veto.
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Old 01-11-2007, 11:33 AM   #39
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I think we should look at some of the ways our country spends money, and think about how we could spend that better at home. The military is a double edged sword. Their budget is ridiculously huge, but they create a lot of jobs for some of the lower class we're talking about.
Absolutely. Did you know that we spent over $400 billion dollars on defense alone in 2004? Did you know that our defense budget is more than double the defense budget of the entire rest of the world COMBINED? That means that if we cut our defense budget in half we'd have over $200 billion more dollars each year -- and we'd still have a defense budget larger than the rest of the world combined. Our budget and priorities are seriously flawed. It's like America is full of scared pussies, so we have to spend astronomical amounts of money to "protect" us.

Also, do you remember when the Iraq war started Congress passed $75 billion dollars in a week? What a mockery of the system. We can push through that much money for war in a week, but we can't improve healthcare and education over the course of several years?

I'll tell you one thing: I'm not scared of ANY terrorists -- I'm scared of the government.

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Old 01-11-2007, 01:13 PM   #40
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I think that our defense spending is double that of what any other country spends and not double of all countries put together. I'll pass on the rest of what you stated so not to make this a political thread.
Military budget of the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It is wikipedia after all, and I didn't confirm their sources, but it looks like the US spends more than twice of all other spenders combined. Just check out the graph.
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Either way that money could easily be spent on directly protecting our country, which is more then open for another terrorist attack. Beefing up technology at all public transportation locations, starting at subway and rail stations because at this point in time there is absolutely no security whatsoever at many major cities like DC and NYC. Airport security is pathetic and lagging behind. How about more money on emergency response teams and connecting local emergency systems with national.

The problem is that these areas receive near minimum funding while overseas adventures for oil and dominance in the Mid-East really do not secure our nation anymore.
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It looked to me as they only used around 10 other countries while running the numbers it kind of jumped around alot and was hard to tell. The one thing I did notice is it accounts for only about 4% of our GDP which is not bad. Also alot is spent on technology which protects our troops. It did say that we spend 47% of the total world spending defence. That is not twice what they spend its not even half.
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"Yet some say that to compare government spending on the military to the total sum of all goods and services produced by the national economy in a year (the GDP) is to mislead, since the U.S. GDP has dramatically risen over time, and therefore the military budget can still go up, while simultaneously demanding a smaller percentage of the GDP."

The Defense Budget Is Bigger Than You Think: Newsroom: The Independent Institute:
"Although the public may appreciate that $401.3 billion is a great deal of money, few citizens realize that it is only part of the total bill for defense. Lodged elsewhere in the budget, other lines identify funding that serves defense purposes just as surely as—sometimes even more surely than—the money allocated to the Department of Defense (DoD)"
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Old 01-12-2007, 12:08 PM   #43
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For those that whine about defense spending, do you realize that the entire defense budget (not just war expenses) is a drop in the bucket when compared to welfare spending...and you KNOW how much fraud and waste there is with that. Fraud and waste in the welfare system aren't just tolerated or overlooked, it seems they're ENCOURAGED.

If any government spending needs reigned in, it's there.

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I am NOT talking about welfare I am talking about spending on the real issue, homeland security. That is a typical counter many Republicans bring up, but that doesn't hold when you are comparing the defense budget versus the homeland security budget(which was cut).
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For those that whine about defense spending, do you realize that the entire defense budget (not just war expenses) is a drop in the bucket when compared to welfare spending...and you KNOW how much fraud and waste there is with that. Fraud and waste in the welfare system aren't just tolerated or overlooked, it seems they're ENCOURAGED.

If any government spending needs reigned in, it's there.

If you CAN work, you SHOULD work. Then, if you don't work, you don't eat.
Fraud and waste is everywhere in the government -- not just welfare. I'm in favor of eliminating it wherever possible.

Also, I do not believe that more money is spent on welfare than defense. I'm not sure, but I believe defense spending accounts for over 50% of the entire gov't budget.
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