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Old 01-05-2007, 03:38 PM   #16
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I'd love to live in a world where you can disagree on something and not be verbally abused for it. It took me a long time to realize ( and I realized this long ago) that just cause someone doesn't agree with me, doesn't mean they are stupid or inferior. It just means they disagree. Who cares? Does it matter that I beleive Vince Young is overrated? Nope. (he is, but it doesn't matter) What matters is that we are all friends here and can carry on a conversation about something just because we can.
When someone gets angry over another persons personal belief, well, that in my mind, is the definition of simple minded. No two people will feel EXACTLY the same.
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Old 01-05-2007, 03:55 PM   #17
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I dont really know what I belive. I was confirmed as a Catholic, but dont really practice because I dont really belive it that much. Or maybe belive IN it is what I'm looking for.


I belive in a god, but other than that I dont really know. Evolution makes alot of sense to me, but theres just too many weird things that happen that make me belive in some sort of higher power, but what it is I really dont know.
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Old 01-05-2007, 04:03 PM   #18
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The Schneed's take:

I don't for one second believe hardly anything that's in the Bible. I don't really think there's a God (though I can't be 100% certain). I don't really think Jesus was the son of God. I think we evolved into our current state because a couple of chemicals came together and from there, survival of the fittest.

BUT... that doesn't mean the lessons and teachings in the Bible aren't great ways to live your life. Being giving, taking care of your fellow man, honoring your father and mother, honoring your wife, turning the other cheek, doing unto others, they are great lessons.

Whether God exists or not, or whether Jesus was the Son of God or not: Jimmy cracked corn and I don't care.

But I say to whoever made up those tall tales included in the Bible, I subscribe to your newsletter. I'd love to live my life like Jesus did, and I try to do so daily; whether he really was the Son of God or not, or whether he even actually existed or not, is neither here nor there to me. It's a great way to live your life, and that's the bottom line to me.
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Old 01-05-2007, 04:13 PM   #19
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Re: Civil Discussion About Religion

Matty will love this... I quote the great band 311 and their song "Seems Uncertain":

Your denomination
Should be a private thing.
How about a spirit
For all human beings?

How could something well guided
Turn out to be divisive?
Mostly wondering
It seems uncertain.
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Old 01-05-2007, 05:08 PM   #20
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Re: Civil Discussion About Religion

Without going into what I personally believe.

I don't see how all of this...meaning the earth, the universe, human life, the will to believe or not to believe, to love, to hate or be all together indifferent....what we know and what we don't know, can exist in such an 'organized state' without someone having actually creating it. I mean, even in chaos, eveything seems to know it's role and how it relates to everything else. Even when death is imminent, there's a sense or a natural awareness to save life, if you will. And even in death, there's a sense of loss.

The seasons, the climates and how the body reacts to them. And the incredible knowledge that doctors possess through the power of medicine to cure sickness and disease, in my opinion, point to someone higher than ourselves. I think some people look at scientific reasoning as a method to explain away God, if you will. I look at just the opposite, I think the existence of God explains science, His exsistence explains evolution, theory and so forth. Even the human body. It is created with such meticulous and complex detail, it almost seems very purposeful, very deliberate and intended.

I think for everything that was or is created, it had to be in somone's mind somewhere at some moment in time. I don't think everything just appeared, no more than things and thoughts we make and create everyday.
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Matty will love this... I quote the great band 311 and their song "Seems Uncertain":

Your denomination
Should be a private thing.
How about a spirit
For all human beings?

How could something well guided
Turn out to be divisive?
Mostly wondering
It seems uncertain.
Nice! Perfect way to sum things up. Great song too.
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Old 01-05-2007, 07:00 PM   #22
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I believe that I am the Creator but I must have hit my head on some celestial body and gotten some form of amnesia that caused me to forget how to be the Alpha and Omega. One day I fully expect to remember how to do the things I used to do like seperate Night and Day, Heaven and Earth and rip a rib out of a man to make a woman.

Oh, I go to a Catholic Mass service with my wife's family at 8:30 and my own Methodist church at 11:00 every Sunday.

I believe there is an ever-watchful but non-interfering God and I believe that a man named Jesus died for our sins. I'm still open minded about his "son of God" status, though. The idea of self-sacrifice for the good of the group weighs heavily in a lot of my decision making processes. Do unto others as you have them do unto you is another big one for me as well.
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Old 01-05-2007, 07:20 PM   #23
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Re: Civil Discussion About Religion

There were quite a few questions put forth in this topic so it's kinda hard to address them all. I personally don't like the term "religion" because over time it has developed into more of a negative term. I mean, you can be religious about pretty much anything. I believe I have a relationship with God through Jesus Christ. I was born into a strong Christian family and church has always been apart of my life. I grew up in and still am apart of the Pentecostal denomination. It's what works for me, because I enjoy having more of a freedom in worship than what most other denominations offer. It's a shame that churches get too caught up in the details of their particular beliefs because as Christians, we all pretty much believe in the same thing at the end of the day.

One thing I have learned is that you can't force people to believe as you do. Quoting scriptures left and right to someone usually doesn't get much results. The Bible says that each person has to work out their own salvation. I believe my greatest witness is for me to live my life in front of others as Christ did. People watch your actions much more than they listen to your words. Sometimes I still struggle with issues, but it's comforting for me to know that God is gracious and merciful and He offers forgiveness when I fall. I have been blessed beyond measure with a wonderful husband and family, great friends and an awesome pastor and church I can count on. I couldn't ask for more.
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Old 01-05-2007, 08:12 PM   #24
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I really don't see how some people could believe in evolution. If you actually think about it, the theory says that people formed from rocks if you go all the way back to the beginning of it. Life is too complex to be made by accident.

The big bang is also pretty far-fetched. The first law of thermodynamics is that matter can not be created or destroyed, but matter would have had to have been created for the big bang theory to be true.
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Old 01-05-2007, 08:25 PM   #25
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My mother grew up Catholic, and when I was young I went to Catholic church. As I got older I went to a few other churches, including Baptist, Episcopalian, and Morman. The entire time, I was Athiest and I didn't involve myself much in the church. I always thought that Faith was a noble thing, and that organized religions sought to make an industry of it. So, I pretty much ignored all organized religion on the basis that it was a profit industry.

When I got to college I started to learn the different religions of the world. I have studied Christianity, Islam, Judaism, Buddhism, Hinduism, Zoroastrianism, Shinto, Ba'hai, blah, blah, etc. However, all from a student perspective -- not from a spiritual perspective. The best thing I learned from my studies was a proper definition of religion: Human transformation in response to perceived ultimacy. Once I applied this definition to religion, I was able to see that everything or anything can be a religion -- as long as it's something you perceive as ultimate. I realized that I perceived science as ultimate, and that my transformation in response to that perception was my religion.

Throughout my life, I became overwhelmed with the guilt of my sins and was strongly compelled to pray and repent. It helps during times of despair, and I value prayer. However, I wouldn't say that I pray TO anyone/anything, or that I pray FOR someone/something -- I pray to relieve my guilt, and nothing else. It's really kinda selfish.

Throughout my spiritual journey I have come to one conclusion: the details aren't important. Most religions are centered around details. For example: is there a God? What happens after death? Who is the prophet? How did we receive God's word? I don't think the answers to these questions are important. Yet, it seems most people seek religion based on those answers. It all seems so very illusory.

I am truly torn when it comes to religion and science. However, when I try to comprehend our universe it all seems so fantastical. I think, "here we are on this gigantic rock, spinning, and orbiting a massive fire ball." I think about our solar system, and the galaxies. I think about the billions upon billions of stars. Then I stop to think about what our universe is in. And what is THAT in? And so on, and so on -- it could never stop. So, the only way for me to make sense of it, is to say that it's not real -- it can't be, because it's just too unreal.
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Old 01-05-2007, 09:55 PM   #26
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Re: Civil Discussion About Religion

it would take a long time to write down all the things i have to say on this subject, therefore, i'll give just what i believe.

i believe god created everything, including man
i believe adam and eve sinned
i believe every person is born a sinner because they have the "blood of adam", tainted blood from their earthly father.
i believe jesus was born of a virgin, therefore not having the "blood of adam"
i believe jesus willingly laid his life down for you and me
i believe jesus is the only way to heaven
i believe by admitting your a sinner and asking jesus to come into your life and be your personal lord and savior, you go to heaven
i believe that jesus was god come in the flesh
i believe in god the father, god the son and god the holy spirit


i was 22 years old when i (got saved) asked god to be my personal lord and savior. my life truly has been better ever since. god has blessed me so much more than i deserve.
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Old 01-06-2007, 12:11 AM   #27
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Re: Civil Discussion About Religion

Almost every religion has ties to another one and stories that re more then alike so in my opinion they are all the same with only a few differences.

IMO there is a god up there but there is no need to go to chrch becuase they are conforming somthing that cant be conformed. People should not be able to tell others what to believe. Yes i would say im christian but that is to say I only believe in one god and to get to heaven you just have to live your life the best you can.
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Matty will love this... I quote the great band 311 and their song "Seems Uncertain":

Your denomination
Should be a private thing.
How about a spirit
For all human beings?

How could something well guided
Turn out to be divisive?
Mostly wondering
It seems uncertain.
311 is my favorite band
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Old 01-06-2007, 05:29 AM   #30
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Jsarno gets my vote for warpath governer!

I was born and raised Catholic. but like Robh, I've kinda seperated myself from religion.

I still have faith, Just not in humans.

btw, Wolfeskins post was well written and informative, I never knew why we were born with sin, Then right after reading it, I read his Signature and laughed out loud.
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