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Old 04-18-2012, 12:51 PM   #16
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Re: I have a question about speeding tickets

I got a speeding ticket a few weeks ago when i was heading up to DC for my mom's bday. It was in Prince William Co. I was charged with going 80 in the i95 HOV lane, when the speed limit was 65.

I got 1 maybe 2 speeding tickets when i was 16 (about 12 years ago), however, they are both off my record or got dismissed because they make minors take driving classes. I did however get an "illegal lane change" about 2-3 years ago. Other then that my driving record is clean. The cop even made a mention of this when he wrote me up.

Does anyone have any advice on what i should do in court, besides hope that the cop doesnt show up? Has anyone actually personally gotten out of a speeding ticket and not just because the cop didnt show up?

Saden what happened to you?
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Old 04-18-2012, 01:04 PM   #17
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Re: I have a question about speeding tickets

MLM -- I was under the impression in VA that every ticket for 80+ is considered reckless. Maybe it's 81+ for Reckless.

Going 80 on 95 is the rule, not the exception. No real advice for you, but just curious. If it's reckless -- hire a lawyer.
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Old 04-18-2012, 01:07 PM   #18
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Yeah it's tough to get out of a ticket, at least in my case it is. My advice would be to fight it. My last ticket (pulled over Sept. 2010 for doing 56 in a 35) I hired a lawyer and fought it all the way through the appeal but still lost. They didn't even offer me a plea deal, probably because it was my 4th ticket (previous 3 for speeding and a reckless for excessive speeding that I previously posted on here about). Long story short I dug my own grave lol, I actually took a clinic on Saturday voluntarily that finally got my points back to 0.

As far as fighting it goes, I paid 500 for the lawyer, and after I was convicted the fine and court costs were about 250 bucks so I spent about 750 total, and still got convicted and -6 points on my license. So yeah in other words don't be like me. It is worth your time to fight it though, because a person with your record they'll probably be willing to do a plea deal with at the least.
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Old 04-18-2012, 01:27 PM   #19
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Re: I have a question about speeding tickets

You may want to ask people that have gotten tickets in your area and see how they dealt with it or how it works in that jurisdiction. I have gotten two tickets in two different jurisdictions: Montgomery Co. MD and Howard Co., MD. In both cases, it was worth going to court for the tickets to reduce the penalty. If memory serves me right, in Montgomery County, they automatically reduced the charge to 5 mph over the speed limit and reduced the fine by me showing up and pleading guilty. In Howard Co., I brought and submitted my driving record (which was clean), plead guilty, and received probation before judgement (PBJ). I don't think either ticket ended up on my record.
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Old 04-18-2012, 01:34 PM   #20
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If you are in Fairfax County you are fawked!

If some cities were built on Rock and Roll; Fairfax county was built on Speeding tickets and DUI's.

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Old 04-18-2012, 01:42 PM   #21
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Re: I have a question about speeding tickets

@ Daseal - The cop said i was going 82 or 83 or something but that he didnt want to write me up for reckless so he knocked it down to 80. I think reckless in VA is above 80 or more than 20 over. Hopefully he didnt mess up and meant to knock it down to 79.

@ Mooby - i fought my Illegal Lane Change in court a couple years back. The police officer straight up lied. Like lied lied. The judge processed traffic offenders like a meat plant worker. Everyone in front of me was found guilty. It didnt matter what you said, you were found guilty. I think she even felt for my defense because as i walked away she stoped me and said "Mr. mlmpetert you do have the right to appeal my decision". I just looked at her.

This has left me with the impression that with most traffic court judges it's normally impossible to fight a ticket in the first hearing. The only way to fight and win is through the appellate process. I definitely do not want to appeal. Im in Richmond and driving to PW and taking more than 1 day off work isnt gonna happen.

I just want to make sure this nothing obvious i should do that could help. At this point my plan is to beg for forgiveness and say i only have a illegal lane change on my record. As a note I also got a registration ticket because I forgot to register my car. I apologized to the cop and completely took ownership on it. I registered the next Monday and printed my receipt so I expect to get out of that.
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Old 04-18-2012, 01:44 PM   #22
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You may want to ask people that have gotten tickets in your area and see how they dealt with it or how it works in that jurisdiction. I have gotten two tickets in two different jurisdictions: Montgomery Co. MD and Howard Co., MD. In both cases, it was worth going to court for the tickets to reduce the penalty. If memory serves me right, in Montgomery County, they automatically reduced the charge to 5 mph over the speed limit and reduced the fine by me showing up and pleading guilty. In Howard Co., I brought and submitted my driving record (which was clean), plead guilty, and received probation before judgement (PBJ). I don't think either ticket ended up on my record.

Thats basically my plan at this point.

Damn good idea! Definetly getting my driving record printed.
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Old 04-18-2012, 01:48 PM   #23
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If you are in Fairfax County you are fawked!

If some cities were built on Rock and Roll; Fairfax county was built on Speeding tickets and DUI's.
Yeah the economics behind speeding tickets and dui's, particularly in some counties, should be straight up un-constitutional. There should never be a financial incentive in finding people guilty for anything. But that’s another topic…..

This happened in Prince William. And was by a State Trooper.
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Old 04-18-2012, 02:13 PM   #24
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You were speeding...go to court apologize and the judge will knock it down some. Trying to turn it into some grand proceeding will probably only agitate the judge who will still find you guilty and not knock it down.
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If you are in Fairfax County you are fawked!

If some cities were built on Rock and Roll; Fairfax county was built on Speeding tickets and DUI's.

More like a housing bubble and real estate taxes.
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More like a housing bubble and real estate taxes.
and some shitty ass attitudes
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More like a housing bubble and real estate taxes.
Don't forget property taxes (car) as well.

IF you have to live in that area do yourself a favor and try to live in Fairfax City. It is like a little oasis in the middle of Fairfax County.
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Old 04-18-2012, 02:37 PM   #28
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You were speeding...go to court apologize and the judge will knock it down some. Trying to turn it into some grand proceeding will probably only agitate the judge who will still find you guilty and not knock it down.
Yep. Doesn't matter how many other people were breaking the law, so were you and you got caught. Be a man and accept the consequences.

If you TRULY believe you were not speeding, show up at the hearing and use the radar calibration approach. Usually, just for showing up, they'll reduce your penalty or scrap the insurance points.

But, you were speeding, you admitted it already...just pay it and move on.
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Old 04-18-2012, 02:44 PM   #29
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Re: I have a question about speeding tickets

it wasn't unusual to see a dozen cops a day in howard county. i see about a dozen a month out here. i don't drive like an animal anymore anyway, i have 1 speeding ticket in the last 4 years

i have never got out of a ticket in court, i've always had the fine cut in half. i did get out of a ticket once on the way back from funtime. i think i was 17 or 18. my eyes were so red he had to have known i had sinned, it was almost 2am i told him my mom didn't know i took the car out, had to have it back before 2am. he checked my record, which was clean a whistle, and let me go
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Old 04-18-2012, 02:47 PM   #30
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okay, here's the deal with tickets - this is mainly experience with fairfax co, but i imagine its about the same most places.

the officer's word is fact in the eyes of the judge. you can't talk to the officer, but if you have a lawyer, he can talk to the officer on your behalf (and normally they're pretty decent people).

show up (WITH a lawyer if at all possible) - best case, the cop doesn't show (it happens, but it's one day a month for all their tickets, so it's really bad on them if they miss court). your lawyer can probably talk to the cop and getting it down to if he's reasonably well liked... i've seen 15mph over go down to failure to obey a sign. judges also tend to get the lawyered defendants in and out of the courthouse a lot quicker.

second best case (and likely without a lawyer) - if you've got a clean record, you'll likely be told you have the option to take an online class ($60 and 4 hours or so) and the charge will disappear. even though this takes the time for court and the class, it's just as good as getting it dismissed basically.

worst case you get stuck with it. arguing wagainst the cops word won't work, appealing won't get you anywhere, so it's not worth bothering with that. you can ask if the radar was calibrated (that CAN get the ticket kicked) but in fairfax co, they keep their stuff updated and on hand from everything i've seen.

have certified driving records btw... the dmv can print them out, ask for the one used for court (there are 3 different versions, personal being 10 years, then like a 2 and 5 year one or something for court or employment or whatever). It cost almost nothing.

you can also have an auto shop check your speedometer, that's usually good for knocking 2-3mph off.
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