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Old 01-26-2007, 02:52 PM   #61
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Ok then whats the big deal if Wolf asks him questions about it in an interview?
If you read the article he said it was part of the job ( getting asked those questions)but felt that Wolf was crossing a line which he did not need to do. The writer made a bigger deal of it than he did. I was not a Clinton fan but always thought that when people brought his daughter into the mix it was not right.
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I think it's fair game to ask a VP about a homosexual daughter when the Bush administration relied, in part, on a gay-bashing platform to get re-elected. That said, Cheney has every right to tell Wolf he's not going to talk about his daughter. So, Cheney got it right, he knew such questions come with the territory and he also knew he could say F-off if he so chose. I don't think that makes him a coward.
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Old 01-26-2007, 03:06 PM   #63
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Whatever they bring that upon themselves when they become Presidents and Vice Presidents. No matter what its going to happen. Next your going to tell me that athlets are not role models.

Did Wolf cross a line when he asked Cheney about his daughter maybe, but isnt that his job also? And its not like Cheney's daughter is a minor here either, she is a grown woman.
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I think it's fair game to ask a VP about a homosexual daughter when the Bush administration relied, in part, on a gay-bashing platform to get re-elected. That said, Cheney has every right to tell Wolf he's not going to talk about his daughter. So, Cheney got it right, he knew such questions come with the territory and he also knew he could say F-off if he so chose. I don't think that makes him a coward.
He's not a coward for refusing to answer. I'm surprised more politicians don't refuse to answer questions. He's a coward for not standing up for gays, and supporting an administration that is clearly anti-gay.
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He's not a coward for refusing to answer. I'm surprised more politicians don't refuse to answer questions. He's a coward for not standing up for gays, and supporting an administration that is clearly anti-gay.
Maybe he's conflicted about the issue or opposes gay rights. I would assume that many parents with gay children would have conflicting feelings.
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Maybe he's conflicted about the issue or opposes gay rights. I would assume that many parents with gay children would have conflicting feelings.
Yeah, you're right. Coward is maybe too harsh. I just think a man in his position should be more loyal to his principles (if his principles are to support gays).
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Yeah, you're right. Coward is maybe too harsh. I just think a man in his position should be more loyal to his principles (if his principles are to support gays).
I'd agree with that. But, how many politicians are there that you think you could truly called principled and have the integrity to ensure that their conduct conforms to their beliefs?
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I'd agree with that. But, how many politicians are there that you think you could truly called principled and have the integrity to ensure that their conduct conforms to their beliefs?
None. Which would explain my pessimism regarding the current state (and future) of our country. They all sell out sooner or later.

(and this is why I stopped voting)
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Old 01-26-2007, 06:00 PM   #69
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Cheney works for the party. He can't really do anything from his position because everyone has to work to appease THE BASE. His only option is to shut his trap about the subject and he is doing quite well in that regard. To expect much from him in regards to gay rights while he is in office is crazy.
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so we should expect more in 2008 from him? maybe a book?
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I think the media bias is really all about who you watch though. Firstdown is probably right in that the majority of the media has a left wing bias, but just look at Fox News for the polar opposite.
On the Daily Show (shows how much I really follow things) yesterday they were commenting on Fox News' real-time approval rating for Bush's State of the Union speech. According to about 85% Fox News viewers his speech was considered Excellent. As Jon Stewart put it, "those are Stalin-esque numbers." Plus, listen to guys like Bill O'Reilly when you want to say that everyone on TV is a left-winger.
I'm not going to comment much about politics, not because I don't know what I'm talking about, but because liberals and conservatives can find no common ground to argue on, thus cannot say anything worthwhile that the other side would consider reasonable. It's why I'd much like to argue football, because some people who disagree with you might actually listen to you.

Anyway, it just seems to me like Fox News gets a rep for being conservative-biased, simply because they televise conservative columnists. Here's the point: ANY news network could have these guys on. They get good, if not great ratings. IMO, the reason that MSNBC and CNN and networks of the such don't ever give a conservative a show, even with the potential for it to draw great ratings, is an inherent liberal bias. I don't think the presence of a Bill O'Reilly or a Sean Hannity makes Fox News any more biased, since everybody in america knows that these guys are conservatives. The other stations simply don't want them on. So for a conservative, why would you ever watch MSNBC or CNN? Theres as much as a news bias there as any station, and the only columnists they televise are liberal.

Just seems like Fox News gets a media-produced bad rep. News is news, they don't report it differently than anyone else.
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I've got to agree and disagree with some of the things you said GTripp. I think it is unquestionable that the mainstream TV media has a liberal bias (vis-a-vis the American center, not vis-a-vis college students and professors). MSNBC and other networks have a liberal bias because they are choose to cover stories that inherently support Democratic platforms, are more likely to refer to politicians as "conservative" than "liberal," etc. Fox News is not so subtle. Fox News is far more overtly partisan than the other news networks. Fox is so very party-line and one-sided that I cannot even take them seriously.
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New is news... but it's definitely not reported in the same way by every media outlet that's for sure.
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Old 01-26-2007, 07:50 PM   #74
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I'm not going to comment much about politics, not because I don't know what I'm talking about, but because liberals and conservatives can find no common ground to argue on, thus cannot say anything worthwhile that the other side would consider reasonable. It's why I'd much like to argue football, because some people who disagree with you might actually listen to you.

Anyway, it just seems to me like Fox News gets a rep for being conservative-biased, simply because they televise conservative columnists. Here's the point: ANY news network could have these guys on. They get good, if not great ratings. IMO, the reason that MSNBC and CNN and networks of the such don't ever give a conservative a show, even with the potential for it to draw great ratings, is an inherent liberal bias. I don't think the presence of a Bill O'Reilly or a Sean Hannity makes Fox News any more biased, since everybody in america knows that these guys are conservatives. The other stations simply don't want them on. So for a conservative, why would you ever watch MSNBC or CNN? Theres as much as a news bias there as any station, and the only columnists they televise are liberal.

Just seems like Fox News gets a media-produced bad rep. News is news, they don't report it differently than anyone else.
Fox News' slogan is fair and balanced for crying out loud. Granted, CNN and MSNBC have left leaning personalities but they at least don't attempt to pass themselves of as fair and balanced. I have absolutely no problem with Fox News being a conservative mouthpiece, I just don't insult us and pretend you are not.

The other thing that bothers me about Fox News is that it seems every single one of their prominent host is trying to sell me his book. Buy my book this, read my book that. When I watch Fox it feels like I am watching a televangelist marathon. And lets not get started on the kind of people they have as guests...Ann Coulter...that bitch is either completely insane or truly a great act.

Lastly, take John Gibbson's recent gaff regarding Obama for example. Here you have Gibbson who works for Fox News and he is talking about how CNN has so much more money that they can afford to send a journalist to Jakarta to verify the Obama Madrassa story. I mean, how can you classify yourself as a journalist when you say something like that?
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Old 01-26-2007, 08:34 PM   #75
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A few years ago I found a paper written by a couple of professors that examined (from an academic point of view) the bias of various news outlets. I think the results will surprise a few here. The first version I read of this paper was written in 2003, but the link here is of an updated (November 2005) version.

The entire paper: http://www.polisci.ucla.edu/faculty/.../MediaBias.pdf
A brief summary: Media Bias Is Real, Finds UCLA Political Scientist... 12/14/2005
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