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Old 02-07-2007, 10:43 AM   #1
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Not All Scientist Believe In Global Warming

I thought this was interesting because we never hear in the news or else where the other side of the story on Global Warming. This is a petition that is signed by over 17,000 scientist that have doubts that global warming is caused by man. I just wonder why we never hear both sides of the story?

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Old 02-07-2007, 11:04 AM   #2
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There is alot of evidence that we are not the sole cause of warming. There is a "heated" (sorry) debate on whether or not the human race plays a significant role at all...

There are pockets of methane released ever so often that contribute something like 5 times the amount of greenhouse gas that humans produce in one ear.

There is little debate as to whether or not we contribute, but a ton as far as how much. A big reason why many think we need to learn more about it is something called "global dimming".

In an effort to reduce pollution, the US reduced particle pollution. This was great because it decreases the risk of lung infection and such. The problem is, clouds form from these tiny particles, and the more clouds there are, the more sun is reflected. Basically, the particles were helping cool the earth and reducing particle pollution actually contributed to global warming.

There is still a huge amount of information we don't know, and whether or not you agree something has to be done about it now, more funding should go into research so we can understand what the hell we're doing.
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Old 02-07-2007, 11:16 AM   #3
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I don't disagree that research still needs to be done but I think we need to know the cause before we can have a solution. I just wonder why so many do so much to block the information from other scientist who have different beliefs. When was the last time that the news gave us both side of the story? All I ever hear is about all the scientist that back the notion that its caused by man but as you can see their are thousands that have different thoughts.
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Old 02-07-2007, 11:17 AM   #4
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The media is not concerned with the truth. Only the dramatic. If you start digging, you can find many scientists who will state the world in general is in a warming trend, (little to do with man), as has happened several times through history. Other studies "prove" that the world in general is getting colder. Only pockets around the globe are getting warmer. I probably am more of a tree hugger than an industrialist, and I am not sure global warming really exists???????
The sun is also apparently getting substancially hotter, so who knows
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I have read A LOT about this and I can't get over the fact that 'skeptics' often cite actual scientific evidence when explaining their positions and 'supporters' basically just say 'we'll your stupid'. That strikes me as being awful damning of the global warming community.
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You have to be insane not believe burning fossil fuel is bad for the planet. Either that or in the pockets of somebody.

Too much of anything is bad.
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Right you are! It's pretty wierd stuff once you scratch the surface of what has become "totally accepted" by the world. I catch myself going......hmmm...I didn't know that
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You have to be insane not believe burning fossil fuel is bad for the planet. Either that or in the pockets of somebody.

Too much of anything is bad.
Your not talking about beer, right?
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It really doesn't matter if humans are the cause. Bottom line: the globe IS warming. The ice caps ARE melting. All you have to do is look -- it doesn't require scientific verification.

We as humans don't need to reduce pollution for any other reason than it makes the world a dirty place to live.
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Regardless, I think we can all agree that we need an alternate energy source asap.
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You have to be insane not believe burning fossil fuel is bad for the planet. Either that or in the pockets of somebody.

Too much of anything is bad.
I don't think anyone would say burning fossil fuel is not bad for the planet. I'm just pointing out that other scientist have different opinions on how bad it really is which we never hear when the depate over global warming is discussed. I just presented a list of over 17,000 scientist which would like a say in the debate and are ignored. You pull up the Exxon thing but I guess we have to ignore all the grant money, federal dollars, UN money, etc... which is given to the scientist who support global warming. What would happen to those millions of dollars if their findings said its just a naural cycle the earth goes through? I know, everyone would stop giving money for them to do the research.
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If you haven't noticed, because of all of the evidence that proves it doesn't exist (including reseach AND the deep freeze we're in right now), we don't hear politicians and the media using the term "global warming" anymore. Now it's called "climate change". What a crock.

Climate change? Yeah, there is winter, spring, summer and autumn.

Ask the dinosaurs how they were responsible for the "climate change".

In the Earth's history, it has always had warm and cool cycles and even stages of unpredicable weather. It's NATURAL. We as mere humans are not great enough to harm or fix anything that the Earth decides to do. If we were, we'd know how to stop tornadoes, hurricanes, volcanos, floods, etc.

Some of these environmentalists are just crazy.

Too hot? It's global warming, stop driving your car!
Too cold? It's global warming, stop driving your car!
Ahh, a hurricane! It's global warming, stop driving your car!
Ahh, snow! It's global warming, stop driving your car!
Spring is late! It's global warming, stop driving your car!
Summer is early! It's global warming, stop driving your car!

Besides, it's been proven that plant and animal emmissions (CO2 and methane) are more prevelent in the atmosphere than our car emissions. Even if everyone stopped driving, we could not prevent the natural pollution that the Earth has known for countless years before Henry Ford started up the mass production line for cars.
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You have to be insane not believe burning fossil fuel is bad for the planet. Either that or in the pockets of somebody.

Too much of anything is bad.
You don't have to be insane. You have to know what you are talking about. There are plenty of scientists and plenty of good data that shows the effects of burning fossil fuels on the co2 levels is questionable.

The 'you have to be insane' statment falls into the same problematic cycle that the article talks about. It was basically accpeted and perpetuated, without much evidence at all, that fossil fuel burning was the main cause of rising co2 levels. Now 'you have to be insane' to not believeit even though it has not been proved. How about someone show some actual scientific evidence. Not something that is totally interperable either way.

I'll agree that it is 'dirty' for the planet but I am unconvinced. I'd just like some real answers and not political answers from scientists. On both sides of the fence. I don't know who to really believe.
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If you haven't noticed, because of all of the evidence that proves it doesn't exist (including reseach AND the deep freeze we're in right now), we don't hear politicians and the media using the term "global warming" anymore. Now it's called "climate change". What a crock.

Climate change? Yeah, there is winter, spring, summer and autumn.

Ask the dinosaurs how they were responsible for the "climate change".

In the Earth's history, it has always had warm and cool cycles and even stages of unpredicable weather. It's NATURAL. We as mere humans are not great enough to harm or fix anything that the Earth decides to do. If we were, we'd know how to stop tornadoes, hurricanes, volcanos, floods, etc.

Some of these environmentalists are just crazy.

Too hot? It's global warming, stop driving your car!
Too cold? It's global warming, stop driving your car!
Ahh, a hurricane! It's global warming, stop driving your car!
Ahh, snow! It's global warming, stop driving your car!
Spring is late! It's global warming, stop driving your car!
Summer is early! It's global warming, stop driving your car!

Besides, it's been proven that plant and animal emmissions (CO2 and methane) are more prevelent in the atmosphere than our car emissions. Even if everyone stopped driving, we could not prevent the natural pollution that the Earth has known for countless years before Henry Ford started up the mass production line for cars.
Yeah the shit being tossed around is pretty crazy....

Anyone claiming a few years of bad hurricanes, or warm spells has to do with global warming is way off. The year to year natural fluctuations that occur in no way can predict any kind of trend we may be having. Global warming can be analyzed as something that happends over the hundreds of years, not year to year.

I always laugh when people (esp. politicians) bring up Katrina as a poss. link to global warming. Anyone that knows anything about weather knows that that isn't the case. It's a perfect example to how a politician works in our system. Trying to find any possible way to back up there agenda, to get something for their constintuents, so that they get re-elected.

The worst hurricanes happened in the 1900's...cat 4 and 5 storms battered the coast on a regular basis.

Katrina was statistically supposed to happen. There is a chance every year that a Cat. 5 hurricane was going to hit the gulf coast, and they were due for one.

Hurricane History
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Yeah the shit being tossed around is pretty crazy....

Anyone claiming a few years of bad hurricanes, or warm spells has to do with global warming is way off. The year to year natural fluctuations that occur in no way can predict any kind of trend we may be having. Global warming can be analyzed as something that happends over the hundreds of years, not year to year.

I always laugh when people (esp. politicians) bring up Katrina as a poss. link to global warming. Anyone that knows anything about weather knows that that isn't the case. It's a perfect example to how a politician works in our system. Trying to find any possible way to back up there agenda, to get something for their constintuents, so that they get re-elected.

The worst hurricanes happened in the 1900's...cat 4 and 5 storms battered the coast on a regular basis.

Katrina was statistically supposed to happen. There is a chance every year that a Cat. 5 hurricane was going to hit the gulf coast, and they were due for one.

Hurricane History
Katrina had actually weakened a lot by the time it hit the coast. It didn't even hit New Orleans directly either. The flooding was not from the storm, it was because they built the city BELOW sea level and the levies were built to only sustain a Cat 3 storm IF in good condition. These levies were in need of repair for about 25-30 years but were ignored. The federal $ that the state and local governments of LA and NO were used on projects like casinos and other buildings instead of being spent on what they requested the money for. It was corrupt government officials down there that caused the death and destruction...with a little credit towards the first contractors that decided to make a city shaped like a toilet bowl. It finally flushed on them. Ok...blame gravity if you don't want to blame Mayor Nagin and Governor Landreau.

So what did we do? Give them MORE money that is still being mis-spent. Nagin couldn't use buses to get people OUT of the storm, but he found the keys and bus drivers to bring people back to vote for him. How he got re-elected is beyond me...and it really makes me want to throw all sympathy for the residents out of the window.
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