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Old 02-12-2007, 03:05 PM   #61
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i think its hysterical that everything that is wrong with America is always, somehow bill Clinton's fault. and the demos had the same info, but the difference is now that they realize they were wrong, they are trying to fix it. not being a cement head, like bush, and refusing to take blame, admitting mistakes, and trying to fix the problem
We have no idea right now whether or not the decisions the Bush Administration are making are helping to fix or hindering the progress of the country. That's 100% media factor. I could say right now that Mario Williams' legacy is one of failure, but we've yet to see the effects that his career will have on the Houston Texans and the NFL. History isn't defined over short period.

What we can tell is this; the decisions made by our administrations of the past have created the situation of the present. It would be foolish to blame it all on Clinton or all on Bush Sr. The effects we are dealing with now are comprised of many, many, many decisions going back past Reagan, past Carter, past LBJ, even to the FDR days. It's impossible to fault individuals for these decisions. No one man has the wisdom to look 20-50 years into the future to see the long term consequences of their actions.

This mess was created by past figures and the Bush Administration isn't solely responsible for cleaning it up. Another administration will take over in 2 years and this middle east issue will still be an issue.

Maybe 20 years from now, we will be able to see if Bush started the process of fixing the middle east, or if he indeed mucked up the situation even further. Don't be foolish enough to think we will know by today, tomorrow, or the next day, and espicially don't be foolish enough to think we already know. We are human beings, not prophets.
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Yes I believe that we do have bombs that can penetrate the ground before they go off but how deep they go I don't know. I do know we have some that will go down a cave then go off and just fry people and not other things. I'm not sure if Israel is attacked by Iran we would get invloved because they have the weapons to defend their self. Now if it was a multiple of other country's we may but I think that would be the last thing we do because it could esculate into something much bigger.
Well if Iran was going to attack Israel, I'd think they'd do it through long range missile strikes. They don't have any continguous landmass to Israel. They can't just go rolling through Iraq on their way to Israel. And Iran doesn't have a navy.

If Iran is going to attack Israel, they'd likely use one of those long range missiles they have, and would probably try to arm it with a nuclear warhead. If they did that, yeah, we'd get involved.

But if they try to roll up on Israel with a pitiful force like Hezbolla did, then yeah, we'd just let Israel take care of it. Israel is our ally; any serious threat to their security would definitely bring about a US response.
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We have no idea right now whether or not the decisions the Bush Administration are making are helping to fix or hindering the progress of the country. That's 100% media factor. I could say right now that Mario Williams' legacy is one of failure, but we've yet to see the effects that his career will have on the Houston Texans and the NFL. History isn't defined over short period.

What we can tell is this; the decisions made by our administrations of the past have created the situation of the present. It would be foolish to blame it all on Clinton or all on Bush Sr. The effects we are dealing with now are comprised of many, many, many decisions going back past Reagan, past Carter, past LBJ, even to the FDR days. It's impossible to fault individuals for these decisions. No one man has the wisdom to look 20-50 years into the future to see the long term consequences of their actions.

This mess was created and the Bush Administration isn't solely responsible for cleaning it up. Another administration will take over in 2 years and this middle east issue will still be an issue.

Maybe 20 years from now, we will be able to see if Bush started the process of fixing the middle east, or if he indeed mucked up the situation even further. Don't be foolish enough to think we will know by today, tomorrow, or the next day, and espicially don't be foolish enough to think we already know. We are human beings, not prophets.
Great post, Gtripp.
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Old 02-12-2007, 03:34 PM   #64
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good post gtripp. the only problem i have with any of the united states dealings in the middle east are we cannot understand a society the breeds killings for the sake of religion. these people have been killing each other for the last 2000 years(at least) and will continue to do so, regardless of what we do. they teach it at a young age, it is philosophy, a way of life. and what we accomplish now is strictly short term
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As others have pointed out GTripp, that was a really nice post. But, I think that whether you agreed or disagreed with the decision to go to war in Iraq, that mess is squarely on G.W.'s shoulders.

On a somewhat related point, I ran across an interesting Fox News poll (yes, Fox News). In it Respondents are asked whether they want Bush's plan for Iraq to fail and a resounding 34% of Democrats said "Yes." Why on earth would you want (as opposed to expect) the plan to fail? I'm a Dem-leaning independent, but that kind of stuff makes me want to puke and join the Repubs. Click on the link and look at question #21 http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/...oxnewspoll.pdf.
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coming from fox, can you really believe that poll? its getting harder and harder to believe anything in the media
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and why in the world do they have Donald trump and Rosie in the same poll?
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As others have pointed out GTripp, that was a really nice post. But, I think that whether you agreed or disagreed with the decision to go to war in Iraq, that mess is squarely on G.W.'s shoulders.

On a somewhat related point, I ran across an interesting Fox News poll (yes, Fox News). In it Respondents are asked whether they want Bush's plan for Iraq to fail and a resounding 34% of Democrats said "Yes." Why on earth would you want (as opposed to expect) the plan to fail? I'm a Dem-leaning independent, but that kind of stuff makes me want to puke and join the Repubs. Click on the link and look at question #21 http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/...xnewspoll.pdf.
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I don't care if they're hypocritical when they're doing things that protect our troops.

If they get mad at Iran for supplying bombs that might kill our troops, I'm OK with that. I'm also OK with it if they have supplied technology/equipment in the past if it meant that it weakened our enemies in the past.

If Iran is going to do this crap, it's an act of war in my opinion. I think we ought to be thinking about launching some long range missile strikes from our ships in the gulf at all of their military installations and potential nuclear facilities.
then are we at war with russia and france for supplying iraq with military gear illegally? are we at war in africa, where we recently (within the last month) supplied an army with air support and training to fight the muslim army that had control there? should they start packing bags booking flight to come here and blow things up because of our "act of war"? that's a pretty broad definition there, and we don't have nearly enough draft-eligible troops to maintain that.
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what if they found WMDs and they had US Army stamped on them, from when we helped them in the 80s?

not saying i think it's true, but an interesting thought.
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what if they found WMDs and they had US Army stamped on them, from when we helped them in the 80s?

not saying i think it's true, but an interesting thought.
I actually thought that something more ironic and tragic would happen after we invaded Iraq, namely that some explosives from Iraq would be used in a terrorist attack against the U.S. at home or somewhere outside of Iraq. A friend of mine came back from Iraq, where he served in the Army in an EOD unit, and told me that the place was littered with millions of tons of military-grade explosives that couldn't be secured by our forces. You can buy an RPG for $100 on the black market there. Crazy stuff.
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I honestly don't think we've had a decent president in over a decade...I'm so disillusioned about the whole process, but as far as Iran goes, we don't have the man power to go in there right now without a draft. We would have to use nuclear weapons in an open war. I hope the administration considers this. Lets also think back over the past 20 to 30 years. As much as I hate to say it, we chose sides (Isreal) and now we have to pay the consequences. I'm in no way condoning the actions of radical islamic nations, just merely pointing out that we have a hand in our own problems. We also supplied weapons to Iraq, and have a history of exagurating intelligence for our own purposes (Vietnam anyone? Spanish American War?). If Iranians are coming over the border...they need to be accounted for. Its too late to give up on Iraq, but I wish we had just left well enough alone in the region. The best way to deal with the problem in my opinion is to find a legitimate alternative fuel source so we wouldn't be dependent on those scum bags.
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I honestly don't think we've had a decent president in over a decade...I'm so disillusioned about the whole process, but as far as Iran goes, we don't have the man power to go in there right now without a draft. We would have to use nuclear weapons in an open war. I hope the administration considers this. Lets also think back over the past 20 to 30 years. As much as I hate to say it, we chose sides (Isreal) and now we have to pay the consequences. I'm in no way condoning the actions of radical islamic nations, just merely pointing out that we have a hand in our own problems. We also supplied weapons to Iraq, and have a history of exagurating intelligence for our own purposes (Vietnam anyone? Spanish American War?). If Iranians are coming over the border...they need to be accounted for. Its too late to give up on Iraq, but I wish we had just left well enough alone in the region. The best way to deal with the problem in my opinion is to find a legitimate alternative fuel source so we wouldn't be dependent on those scum bags.
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I would also like to know what the Dems. are doing to fix the problem?
This is one of the biggest reasons why I don't think I can vote democratic in the '08 elections (I'm relatively moderate, tend to be a swing voter).

The Democrats are so busy saying "I told you so" to President Bush, so busy saying you should have done this, you should have done that. So busy that they haven't been able to come up with a solution worth a crap.

I am a forward thinker. I don't care how we got in this friggin mess. I care how we're going to get out of it. If we can learn lessons from our past mistakes, great. But we still need a plan going forward. Eff all the political bickering; if you're not coming up with a solution, you're part of the effing problem.
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You didn't think Clinton was a good Prez?

no, granted, he didn't actively mess things up like some would suggest Bush did, but I still wouldn't call him a good president. In my opinion he took credit for things that weren't entirely his doing. Trust me though, I'm not a Republican, although I would call myself conservative.
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