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Old 02-26-2007, 08:16 PM   #16
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I don't watch but I do know that a lot of people who watch it. The show itself boring but I like hearing/reading about the movies and actors that won. This way I can make an informed decision about what movies to rent (Netflix). Of course, movies that win aren't necessarily good movies.

I was disappointed with the Last King of Scotland. To be honest, I thought the doctor was the main character of the movie and not Idi Amin. Forest Whitaker did a great job but they didn't show case him enough IMO.

I'll have to checkout The Departed. Also, Babel was a good movie but it definitely was a clone of Crash.
Babel is a clone of Crash? Why isn't crash a clone of 21 grams, which came first? Or Amorres Peres which came before that? Alejandro Inarritu does that type of film making better than anyone.

Paul Haggis did not invent the epic ensemble piece. He just schmaltzed the formula up and made a bathetic little flick for morons who want to feel like they are more intelligent for asking themselves deep questions about race, when in fact they had become even dumber as a result of watching that facile movie, if that's possible.

Babel on the other hand is the real deal.
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Old 02-26-2007, 08:21 PM   #17
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Babel is a clone of Crash? Why isn't crash a clone of 21 grams, which came first? Or Amorres Peres which came before that? Alejandro Inarritu does that type of film making better than anyone.

Paul Haggis did not invent the epic ensemble piece. He just schmaltzed the formula up and made a bathetic little flick for morons who want to feel like they are more intelligent for asking themselves deep questions about race, when in fact they had become even dumber as a result of watching that facile movie, if that's possible.

Babel on the other hand is the real deal.
You didn't like Crash I take it.

I'm not gonna lie. A big reason I watched it last night was to see Ellen. I think she's pretty damn funny. She's got that same dry, sarcastic humor a certain "The Artist Formerly Known As" has...plus we both like women!

Glad to see The Departed win.
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Old 02-26-2007, 09:26 PM   #18
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Haha, let me be clear. I didnt like Crash.

The problem I had with it was this: it perpetuates the racial stereotypes it is purporting to deconstruct by featuring characters who embody these stereotypes. The black gangster, the middle eastern shop owner, the racist cop, etc. Identity is multifaceted and complex, and I don't think the film's wriring is able to adequately demonstrate that. At the end of the movie, the characters still harbor their prejudices about each other, have not grown, and have learned nothing new; but more importantly, the audience has learned nothing new about their respective ethnic groups, other than that their preconceived prejudices were in fact correct.

Crash on the other hand is a film that features characters which, although from disparate ethnic and economic backgrounds, are complex and 3-dimensional. Even though these characters appear to embody the same type of stereotypes as Crash's characters - the Japanese schoolgirl, the immigrant maid, the arab peasant farmer, and the loud, culturally insensitive American tourist - all the characters, and particularily the female characters, are so compelling because of the ways in which they individuate from such cultural stereotypes. They are flawed, and sympathetic, and ultimately moving in a way that Crash's are not.
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Old 02-26-2007, 09:37 PM   #19
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So I'm a moron for liking Crash? I don't believe in mocking people for liking certain movies. We all like some movies that other people think are turds, no need to call people out for liking a certain movie.
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Old 02-26-2007, 09:55 PM   #20
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I thought all the movies nominated SUCKED. The Departed being the biggest of SUCK. Ole Marty boy hasn't made a good film since Goodfellas. I never watch the awards. To make art into a competition denegrates the very intent of the artists. There is a huge sucking sound emanating from the west. Its called Hollywood. I should know. I live here.
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Old 02-26-2007, 10:20 PM   #21
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So I'm a moron for liking Crash? I don't believe in mocking people for liking certain movies. We all like some movies that other people think are turds, no need to call people out for liking a certain movie.
That was hyperbole. Obviously some very smart people loved Crash. But state your case.... convince me I'm wrong.
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That was hyperbole. Obviously some very smart people loved Crash. But state your case.... convince me I'm wrong.
I think the point PFunk was making is that there is no right or wrong.

I mean Gmanc was moved by Uncle Jesse's haunting portrayal of a grieving relative remembering Papouli against the comparatively serene backdrop of a boat on cinderblocks, while I felt the chilling naivete of the well-meaning Michelle as she "cleansed" Martin the Goldfish with a bubble bath captured the deus ex machina that is the j ai no se quas of Full House.

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Old 02-26-2007, 10:48 PM   #23
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I think the point PFunk was making is that there is no right or wrong.

I mean Gmanc was moved by Uncle Jesse's haunting portrayal of a grieving relative remembering Papouli against the comparatively serene backdrop of a boat on cinderblocks, while I felt the chilling naivete of the well-meaning Michelle as she "cleansed" Martin the Goldfish with a bubble bath captured the deus ex machina that is the j ai no se quas of Full House.

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Fair enough but that's why you debate it. It's fun, and sometimes you realize you were wrong and that a movie, or music CD, or athlete, or whatever is better than you gave it or them credit for. And sometimes you convince another person the same.  And most of the time you just agree to disa gree. Isn't that what we do on this site? Argue, about stuff which there is ultimately no right or wrong answer to?

Obviously there exists differing opinions on Crash, just like there exists differing opinions on the long term viability of Carlos Rogers. I've got opinions on both, and this is one of the places I come to express them. What's the problem with that?
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Old 02-26-2007, 10:53 PM   #24
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No problem at all.
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i didn't like babel either.

mon oncle d'amerique is a good movie about psychology and interlocking lives though (1979)... of course it's all in french.
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Fair enough, saying a movie is for morons just comes off as kinda harsh, and I find movie arguement to be a tough battle to fight, I've had many and never come out much better then they started so I usually just pass, and be happy with the movies I like although I have been enlightened a time or 12
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Old 02-27-2007, 01:20 AM   #27
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Fair enough, saying a movie is for morons just comes off as kinda harsh, and I find movie arguement to be a tough battle to fight, I've had many and never come out much better then they started so I usually just pass, and be happy with the movies I like although I have been enlightened a time or 12
It does come off as kind of harsh. I didnt mean it that way
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I liked Crash... I didn't think it was the best picture of the year though.
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it always seems like the winners have either been around forever( like they are deserved an award) or the movie that wins, either sucks to high heaven, or i have never even heard of it. but i did like the departed. even though i don't think much of DiCaprio, he did a helluva job in that movie
I used to hate his guts but ever since Gangs of New york, he's played more gritty roles.

I only watch a small part of the awards if a certain person is being honored and if a certain actor, actress, or movie I like is up for an award.
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The Academy Awards is the Super Bowl for chicks.
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