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Old 03-02-2007, 12:37 PM   #31
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I find it scary that some of you still dont believe in global warming.
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Old 03-02-2007, 01:02 PM   #32
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I find it scary that some of you still dont believe in global warming.
I certainly believe in Global Warming. Did anyone say they didn't?
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Old 03-02-2007, 01:02 PM   #33
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FRPLg Congress may have helped speed up the development of the internet but with what it has provided to the business world is what really developed the net to what it is today. If there was no pontential for advertising and the other uses for business it would be nothing of what it is today.
No I agree.

The thought that something like the internet is the product of a series of events each of which was absoulutely necessary is ridiculous. I am pretty sure the internet is no better or worse off because of Al Gore or any politician for that matter.
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Old 03-02-2007, 01:04 PM   #34
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I certainly believe in Global Warming. Did anyone say they didn't?
I didn't read anyone here say the didn't believe in it.

Anyways there is a not so insignificant portion of people and scientists who don't just question the human cause theory of global warming but the idea of global warming in general.

I find it scary that something that seems so important is treated in such a political way when it needs to be treated in a scientific way first and foremost.
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Old 03-02-2007, 01:13 PM   #35
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Anyways there is a not so insignificant portion of people and scientists who don't just question the human cause theory of global warming but the idea of global warming in general.
My understanding is that almost all scientists agree that: (a) greenhouse emissions are making the ozone hole bigger; (b) the increased size of the ozone is bad; and (c) the climate is getting hotter, at least in part due to man. I haven't heard nayone debate (a) and (b) and only a few people debate (c). The debate now seems to center on whether such changes are as bad as people think they are.

I don't know how bad of a situation we are in because I'm not a scientist. Consequently, I'll simply defer to the overwhelming majority of scientists who do believe (perhaps incorrectly) that we are screwing things up in a big way.


As for politics getting in the way of this debate, I think both sides do it. The Dems and Left viciously attack anyone who questions whether global warming is taking place and how much harm it is creating. The Bush Administration tries to suppress any statements/studies that don't suit their political agenda.
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Old 03-02-2007, 01:18 PM   #36
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This discussion isn't going anywhere but lets be clear on one thing, creating and inventing are not the same. To perpetuate the idea that they are the same is a Definist fallacy and disingenuous.

A number of senators have taken initiatives in creating things over the years. Senator Ted Stevens of Alaska took initiative in creating The Bridge to Nowhere but that doesn't mean that he invented the concept of a bridge or built it himself.

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They simply helped the person or persons who did the creating.
So, if I help you create something by getting you the resources needed to do the work I can't claim on my resume that I took the initiative in creating the final product? Shouldn't I be entitled to some credit? What are the standards for getting recognition for my contribution?

As for the internet, let's not confuse it with the world wide web. I'm not going to give a history lesson on the internet, you will have to do your own research on that subject. I'll just say this, the internet is a collection of internets (a network of networks), there are many world wide web (the French have their own sites). No single person can claim to have invented the internet as it was build by standing on the shoulders of giants. In fact, no single group can claim to have invented it without giving credit to someone else or some other group. Lastly, Al Gore is not claiming to have invented the internet.
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Old 03-02-2007, 01:25 PM   #37
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This discussion isn't going anywhere but lets be clear on one thing, creating and inventing are not the same. To perpetuate the idea that they are the same is a Definist fallacy and disingenuous.
I don't think he meant to claim credit for inventing the internet, but he should probably choose his words a little more carefully. Simple slip of the tongue....nothing more.
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Old 03-02-2007, 03:00 PM   #38
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I don't think he meant to claim credit for inventing the internet, but he should probably choose his words a little more carefully. Simple slip of the tongue....nothing more.
i agree, but this depends on which way you choose to lean. alittle to the left, or alittle to the right
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He made a slip of the tongue while doing some self promoting and gleefully got called on it by the opposing party.

Does it prove he is a liar? probably not - I mean really, does anyone really believe he would make such a ridiculous claim and expect everyone to belieive it? Does it show he has a slighty inflated sense of his role? maybe, who knows - he may honestly believe he was instrumental in the creation of the internet.

Is it politics as usual in this country? Absolutely - for both major parties.
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Old 03-02-2007, 03:47 PM   #40
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I don't doubt that Al Gore is right about global warming, it's just that I care a lot more about the poor people in our country getting health insurance than I do about global warming.

If forcing companies to be greener costs them money, they're going to respond by either:

1) Cutting back on benefits
2) Charge the employees more for health insurance
3) Or just flat lay people off or hire fewer people

Our country has a lot more important things to worry about than global warming. Al Gore, do you seriously think I'm going to listen to your bitching and moaning about the environment when we have much more pressing economic challenges at hand? Get your effing priorities straight.
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schneed i totally agree with you about the health care thing. but, there isnt a politician alive that is ready to tacke that fiasco. there is soo much money involved that it would be political suicide
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Old 03-02-2007, 04:50 PM   #42
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By what you said I guess that you believe that over 40,000,000 Americans cannot afford health care?
I suppose you are quoting the estimates that say 40 million people in our country are uninsured or underinsured.

Yes I do believe those numbers. If you want to argue them with me, be my guest, but I have to warn you you're stepping right into my wheelhouse. I'm a financial analyst for the biggest provider to uninsured/underinsured patients in Pennsylvania: Temple University Health System.

That was in the interests of full disclosure. Did you know that as of July 1 2007, there will be only 5 hospitals delivering babies within Philadelphia city limits? Obstetrics is such a financial loser that hospitals have closed the program down.

Since 2002, 9 hospitals within Philadelphia city limits have closed. No new ones have opened.

What's driving this? Underinsured patients don't reimburse hospitals; they have no money and no insurance, and consequently hospitals don't get paid. So in low-income areas, like the part of Philly I work in, hospitals are suffering financially and are forced to cut programs. The end result? Not only do these people not have the money for health care, they don't even have enough places nearby that can provide the care.
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Old 03-02-2007, 09:07 PM   #43
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Let me get this straight, you think global warming is a big hoax but not all of it? That's a good brain teaser right there.
thats what i said. no need to explain it. we still get snow, rain, wind and shit. as long as i'm dead by the time the world is ****ed i could care less.
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Old 03-02-2007, 11:04 PM   #44
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thats what i said. no need to explain it. we still get snow, rain, wind and shit. as long as i'm dead by the time the world is ****ed i could care less.
Shouldn't natural selection have taken care of you by now?
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Old 03-03-2007, 02:07 AM   #45
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thats what i said. no need to explain it. we still get snow, rain, wind and shit. as long as i'm dead by the time the world is ****ed i could care less.
I'm not holding my breath for an explanations. Your remark is self explanatory and lets just say it exposes your competence.
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