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Old 03-03-2007, 03:36 AM   #46
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I suppose you are quoting the estimates that say 40 million people in our country are uninsured or underinsured.

Yes I do believe those numbers. If you want to argue them with me, be my guest, but I have to warn you you're stepping right into my wheelhouse. I'm a financial analyst for the biggest provider to uninsured/underinsured patients in Pennsylvania: Temple University Health System.

That was in the interests of full disclosure. Did you know that as of July 1 2007, there will be only 5 hospitals delivering babies within Philadelphia city limits? Obstetrics is such a financial loser that hospitals have closed the program down.

Since 2002, 9 hospitals within Philadelphia city limits have closed. No new ones have opened.

What's driving this? Underinsured patients don't reimburse hospitals; they have no money and no insurance, and consequently hospitals don't get paid. So in low-income areas, like the part of Philly I work in, hospitals are suffering financially and are forced to cut programs. The end result? Not only do these people not have the money for health care, they don't even have enough places nearby that can provide the care.

i do part time financial needs analysis, and from what i've personally seen, i have NO reason to doubt scheed or those numbers.

it sucks that those that can't afford basic health care can't even get preventive services, and it's short sighted. (ie, see the post's article on how a kid couldn't get a 80$ tooth extraction, needed 250,000$ worth of medical care (including emergency brain surgery) and still ended up dead. just because he had a cavity and the paperwork and willingness of practioners to deal with it was too much to ask.... for every case like that, 3124 other kids could also get tooth extractions when needed and the taxpayer still comes out ahead, as well as lower income families).
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Old 03-03-2007, 11:11 AM   #47
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Half of dockerys sb would still make him a rich man AND pay for alot of tooth extractions.....

I have said it before, NO pro sports player is worth the amount of money these guys are getting. Its really a sad situation.
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Old 03-03-2007, 05:44 PM   #48
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Half of dockerys sb would still make him a rich man AND pay for alot of tooth extractions.....

I have said it before, NO pro sports player is worth the amount of money these guys are getting. Its really a sad situation.
According to free market economics, they're worth every penny.
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Old 03-03-2007, 11:46 PM   #49
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According to free market economics, they're worth every penny.
Yeah and we both know thats a bunch of horseshit. I would so be in favor of removing the salary cap as a whole but making a cap for players.
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Yeah and we both know thats a bunch of horseshit. I would so be in favor of removing the salary cap as a whole but making a cap for players.
What do you mean?
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Yeah and we both know thats a bunch of horseshit.
No, it's the way it is. The fact of the matter is, pro athletes ARE worth more than most other professions. If they weren't, we wouldn't be having this conversation.
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Old 03-04-2007, 10:02 AM   #52
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I think both issues of Global warming and healthcare could be resolved if we spent less money trying to fight someone elses civil war (Iraq)... Don't get me wrong I am all about supporting our troops but I think we can support them best by getting them out of that mess and back home. Our money focus is on shit that is abroad when it should be here. Health Insurance Companies need major regualation and reformation by the government. They are not properly serving the community.
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Old 03-04-2007, 11:09 AM   #53
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What do you mean?

Well something like a max amount a player can make based on years, ability, starter.... and so on. Remove the total team salary cap, and just cap per player.Say theres a max for the elite players of 15mil. for atleast a 3 year contract, with a sb not to exceed the max. younger or up and coming players have a lower max, but have the incentive to bust their butts to get to elite status pay, in due time. I know this is never going to happen and i know some of you will find alot of flaws with this.
Im not looking to get hammered with all the variables,
pros and cons. Its just insane the way the money increases each year.
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Well something like a max amount a player can make based on years, ability, starter.... and so on. Remove the total team salary cap, and just cap per player.Say theres a max for the elite players of 15mil. for atleast a 3 year contract, with a sb not to exceed the max. younger or up and coming players have a lower max, but have the incentive to bust their butts to get to elite status pay, in due time. I know this is never going to happen and i know some of you will find alot of flaws with this.
Im not looking to get hammered with all the variables,
pros and cons. Its just insane the way the money increases each year.
I think if you already know the flaws with this idea then I wonder how you could think it is a good idea, or would ever work.
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Old 03-04-2007, 11:23 AM   #55
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No, it's the way it is. The fact of the matter is, pro athletes ARE worth more than most other professions. If they weren't, we wouldn't be having this conversation.
I completely disagree. Am I against pros making alot of money? not at all. I know the supply and demand point you are making, but its still not right. All Im saying is, as a whole when you think of all the problems we have here in our country that need money, it just makes you think a little different.
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Let see, people pay good money to watch the NFL. TV companies pay the NFL ridiculous amount of money to broadcast games. The owners make a ton of money and they players get a good cut of that. Some players get a lot of money, others don't.

Nothing is wrong with this picture IMO.
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Let see, people pay good money to watch the NFL. TV companies pay the NFL ridiculous amount of money to broadcast games. The owners make a ton of money and they players get a good cut of that. Some players get a lot of money, others don't.

Nothing is wrong with this picture IMO.
I agree. So the guys who sit and passively watch the value of their teams go up deserve to make money, but the guys whose knees, backs, hands, etc. are going to be wrecked don't? I really don't understand that logic.
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I agree. So the guys who sit and passively watch the value of their teams go up deserve to make money, but the guys whose knees, backs, hands, etc. are going to be wrecked don't? I really don't understand that logic.
Most owners have worked hard to have enough money to own a team. They took a lot of risks and came out on top. And running a team isn't cake walk either. You look at the NFL combine and it's pact. All those guys are making a decision to play in the NFL because they'll get a better paycheck than they would elsewhere. It's hard for me to feel sorry for them because they can walk away anytime (a hard decision). They just keep playing and playing.
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Old 03-04-2007, 05:32 PM   #59
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My point is simple. There is sickening amounts of money given to the major pro atheletes. Im not saying they dont deserve to make alot of money. But its disgusting to think of the tons of money spent on entertainment in this country with all the problems we have. Im the first to support my team, you guys dont want to know how much I have spent on the redskins over the years, but I also help out with alot of charitys and such. And my whole thing about a 'player cap' instead of a team cap, is that NO player is truly worth making some of these insane amounts of money, which we all know is much more in baseball.
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well then, are you proposing a cap on the income of all people making over X dollars? if not, why pick on athletes and no one else?

if so, you realize that discourages innovation and anyone with half a brain would relocate to whichever country decided to advertise its low taxes afterwards. something similar killed the swedish clock making industry, though i'm sure there are only about 2 million other examples across many socialist nations. Either you let people use their money as they see fit or you tell them how to use it, but the later means you'll be taking 60% of nothing instead of 25% of massive piles of cash.

I mean, yeah it sucks that some people make obscene amounts of money and could care less about anyone else, but that's not the player's fault, that's how the system is set up. If anything you should be looking to blame the capitalist system that allows that kind of transfer of money, or you should blame someone truly worthy of being called greedy, like the waltons, who make these $50 and $100mill deals look like peanuts.

personally, i don't mind letting people try to get what they're perceived to be worth or care to see capped allowable income.
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