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Old 04-13-2007, 05:56 PM   #136
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In the context of the entire conversation, which I heard at some point when this story first broke but haven't heard since, I think Imus was joking that the team looked very manly. At one point he said they looked like the Toronto Raptors.
That being said, I think someone could argue that he was talking about the entire team. I personally don't think that he was referring to everyone, but I could see someone thinking that.
Well, you're just a bigot for thinking that and you should stop hiding behind your computer and take your sh-- kicking like the small-minded white man that you are. Why, I bet you're a skinhead who kicks puppies too (but only the black puppies).
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Old 04-13-2007, 05:59 PM   #137
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Well, you're just a bigot for thinking that and you should stop hiding behind your computer and take your sh-- kicking like the small-minded white man that you are. Why, I bet you're a skinhead who kicks puppies too (but only the black puppies).
Ha. You better stop hiding behind your computer and take the ass beating I'm going to give you for thinking that I am hiding behind my computer and therefore threatening my with an ass kicking.
Oh dear, I've gone cross-eyed.

I edited my comment to include the transcipt.
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Old 04-13-2007, 07:14 PM   #138
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In the context of the entire conversation, which I heard at some point when this story first broke but haven't heard since, I think Imus was joking that the team looked very manly. At one point he said they looked like the Toronto Raptors.
That being said, I think someone could argue that he was talking about the entire team. I personally don't think that he was referring to everyone, but I could see someone thinking that.

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There are definitely strong racial aspects to it, but I think he's being sexist more than anything else.


thats pretty much all i was trying to say. maybe you just said it better than i did. maybe imus was targeting only the black girls, i don't know. i thought he was targetting the ENTIRE team, which includes some white girls. thats why i brought up the point about the rutgers press conference. not only did the black girls appear on stage and speak at the podium about how their accomplishments have been pushed to the side and what not but so did the white girls on the team. even if imus was joking around, i still think his comment was 100% sexist, i'm just not convinced his comment was racist.
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Old 04-13-2007, 08:07 PM   #139
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I am going to ignore the basic idiocy of the content of your posts because they are so out of line that any reasonable person, black or white or whatever, would just shake their head and move on.

But I will ask you if you realize how poorly your statements are worded and how difficult they are to read with their incessant cursing, non-sensical elipticals and half sentences? Oh and how about every other word being misspelled? For your info, "alot" is actually A LOT. That's two words there buddy. And have ever you even heard of an apostrophe? I think next time you want to make a logical and sensical post on such an important and sensitive subject you should probably take twice as much time and at least try to put some effort into not sounding like a total dimwit. Then at least through all your stupid yelling, asanine whinning and totally ironic threatening you don't come off as completely ignorant.
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Old 04-13-2007, 08:49 PM   #140
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I really don't understand why people think Sharpton and Jackson represent the entire black community. I mean, do Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell represent the entire white/christian community? Not all agree with their views. These people are opportunists and self-serving. They have their sycophant supporters which by and large don't include the majority of the community.

On a side note, what do you think should happen when police officers shoot an unarmed black man 50 times which has happened not once but twice? How many times has that happened to a white guy? I personally know of someone who is racist and a cop. Obviously that person can't be just.

My point is someone need to speak up, preferably someone respected and credible.
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Old 04-13-2007, 08:55 PM   #141
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AOL's Jason Whitlock- Time for Jackson, Sharpton to Step Down - AOL Sports

Here's a good read about how this whole thing got blown out of proportion.
And check out Jason Whitlock's, the writer of the article, picture at the top if you want to say that he has no frame of reference on this subject.

Whitlock is right on point. If they were appointed they would have been voted out long ago. Unfortunately the media gravitates to Sharpton and Jackson.
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Whitlock is right on point. If they were appointed they would have been voted out long ago. Unfortunately the media gravitates to Sharpton and Jackson.
Yeah. I kind of wondered why Sharpton and Jackson are the moral hierarchy of the situation.

Granted, Imus was way out of line, I really didn't think he understood the magnitude of what he was saying. This guy is bad, but I don't necessarily know if he's that bad. Maybe he is, I don't really listen to him so I wouldn't know.

I heard someone saying earlier that the guy who owns MSNBC said he made the decision because of the children in the world or something to that effect. This was purely a business decision (advertisers all pulled out), and from what I understand that same guy owns MTV.

I also wonder whether or not MSNBC still has to pay him the remainder of the contract. I'm not sure what he's done was a breach of contract, and a good lawyer may be able to make Imus one rich S.O.B.
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Old 04-13-2007, 10:05 PM   #143
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Well MTV is part of Viacom, which used to operate CBS as well before they split. MSNBC is part of General Electric
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Well MTV is part of Viacom, which used to operate CBS as well before they split. MSNBC is part of General Electric
I'm wrong... never mind (good look smoot)
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Old 04-14-2007, 05:15 AM   #145
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I really don't understand why people think Sharpton and Jackson represent the entire black community. I mean, do Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell represent the entire white/christian community? Not all agree with their views. These people are opportunists and self-serving. They have their sycophant supporters which by and large don't include the majority of the community.

On a side note, what do you think should happen when police officers shoot an unarmed black man 50 times which has happened not once but twice? How many times has that happened to a white guy? I personally know of someone who is racist and a cop. Obviously that person can't be just.

My point is someone need to speak up, preferably someone respected and credible.
those 2 guys come running everytime the word racist is used. the both of them are nothing but media whores
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I guess I am pessimist when it comes to race relations. Going back through the history of the world it is rather apparent that there will always be some degree of self-segregation. I think as long as there is segegation then raciscm will always exist. It may get better or more may get worse but it is never going to totally go away. That's why I think leaders in all communities need to look for ways to foster relations rather than segregate. It sems perfectly fine if African Americans want to self segregate. Hell they segregate within their own community depedning on tone of skin. But if whites do the same THEN it is racist. Problem is it is racist in both cases.

As for Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton. I have two rather distinct feelings about each of these men and neither is positive.

Al Sharpton- I think Al Sharpton actually believes he is looking out for and leading the black community. I believe his intentions at the heart are pretty noble. But I think he is at his heart a dishonest man and he may even be a racist man. He seems to think it is fine to attack people of other races without impunity and never offer apologies. His treatment of the Duke players is a good example. All the political and racial trappings aside we can probably all agree that had the situation been reversed. Say 3 black Georgetown basketball players had been accused by a white stripper there would be no way have been out front leading the public cruxifiction. In fact I think we could imagine him out front wondering about the alleged victim's character and yelling about all dubious evidence and such. In fact he would be livid and he would be right to be. But once the story started to shift and it became clearer and clearer that these guys were getting railed did he ever come out and say "Hey wait a minute. Maybe we should back off a little?" Did he come out yesterday and say "You know I was too quick to judge and I am sorry" No he has just moved on and forgot all about it. That was a chance to lead. That was a chance to say "Many in the black community, led by me, made a quick judgement of a couple white guys and we were wrong. I am sorry." That kind of statement fosters better relations. That kind of statement leads the black community in a positive way.

Jesse Jackson- As much as I don't like Sharpton I hate Jackson. He is a dishonest and divisive man. He has done more to hurt the African American race than anyone since the 60's. He is a self righteous, self centered, loatheful person who's only real goal is to improve his bank account to the deteriment of the very people he purportedly is trying to help. He makes more money as long as African Americans continue to struggle so he makes sure they continue to. I hate him. I don't hate many people. He is one.
What about Bill Cosby? I think he is a better leader for the black community because he is equally hard on both sides(some may think he is actually tougher on blacks). He realizes both sides have work to do.
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To some extent, I believe it will always be present. Not everyone is or will be a well-adjusted,educated person who can accept people different from them in appearance and culture as an equal. Rather, there will likely always be some element of society that views those of a different race as inherently "worse" than themselves and the cultural group they themselves belong to. By doing so, these people will have both a scapegoat and built in "feel good" factor (i.e. - no matter how crappy things are at least I'm not a half-puerto rican/half indian mutt).

How do we deal with continued rascism? Time. I firmly believe that eventually, in maybe 4-5 generations, racism will be looked on as an anachronism. I think that, in general, it IS being dealt with. Continued condemnation of overt racism creates an atmosphere where children are exposed, at least publicly, to the notion that racism is wrong and that all people are entitled to respect. Generations of ingrained racism are not going to change in 20 or 30 years. The strides we, as a country, have made since the 1960's are significant. Overt racism is simply not permitted in public settings or by any governmental or other public institution.



To say he lost it b/c of money and image is similar to saying that the Civil War was about "states' rights" and not slavery. Yes - sponsers dropped out and cost his employers money and the sponsers dropped out b/c they did not want to be associated with the "image" Imus now carried b/c that would cost them money. BUT underlying the sponser's actions was the understanding that the public would not want to purchase products from companies that condoned the racist remarks.

Make no mistake about it - the ultimate reason for Imus cancellation was the public recognition that racism is wrong.



Many of the "educated" people who are running our board rooms and businesses spent there first 20 or so years (say pre-1965ish) in a country that not only permitted racism but in a country where racism was the law of the land. Sure, they had to adapt to changing times, but on a very basic level some of these people were insulated from the popular tide that recognized the inherent unfairness and ultimate wrongness of racism.

In my opinion, it was only in the later 1980's and 90's that overt racism became truly unacceptable in the public forum. As the grandchildren and great grand children of these boomers grow up, fewer and fewer will be taught that racism, in any form is acceptable.
That is a good point because those in power might have grown up in environments of open racism. Perhaps time is the key factor.

But we can't just sit and watch the years go by and expect change because those same old people could be raising their kids with the same views. To me the challenge is for those kids to go against their parents, and realize what they are teaching them may be wrong. I think that is really hard, and I have had to do that in the past. My parents are good people and amazing parents, but they also have some views that stereotypical that I have had to challenge because I knew they were wrong.

And now think of the new rise of racism against those who are muslim/middle eastern or even brown skinned. Our generation is growing up dealing with that, and it our responsibility to make sure we dont raise our kids so they are racism in their future.
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What about Bill Cosby? I think he is a better leader for the black community because he is equally hard on both sides(some may think he is actually tougher on blacks). He realizes both sides have work to do.
I'm not totally sure (so I could be speaking out of my ass), but it seems like there is a generational gap with regard to Cosby. People 50 and older tend to agree with Cosby and people under 50 tend to think he is a jerk.
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You want to hear about some racist sh*t, read this article. Apparently, the German Army hasn't learned its lesson.
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I really don't understand why people think Sharpton and Jackson represent the entire black community. I mean, do Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell represent the entire white/christian community? Not all agree with their views. These people are opportunists and self-serving. They have their sycophant supporters which by and large don't include the majority of the community.

On a side note, what do you think should happen when police officers shoot an unarmed black man 50 times which has happened not once but twice? How many times has that happened to a white guy? I personally know of someone who is racist and a cop. Obviously that person can't be just.

My point is someone need to speak up, preferably someone respected and credible.
I dont think Sharpton and Jackson are the only leaders, but they are a few and Sharpton especially who legitimately feel they are the leaders of the black community.

Who do you feel is currently a good leader for the black community?
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