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Old 04-17-2007, 10:35 AM   #121
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Cho Seng-Hui is his name, Big C does the name sound familiar?
no it does not. im glad i never knew a bastard like that
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Old 04-17-2007, 10:45 AM   #122
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Haven't they said that they were pursuing a suspect at the time of the second shooting? If so doesn't that shed some light on why they didn't cancel classes? If they thought they knew where the suspect was then not canceling classes may make sense.
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Haven't they said that they were pursuing a suspect at the time of the second shooting? If so doesn't that shed some light on why they didn't cancel classes? If they thought they knew where the suspect was then not canceling classes may make sense.
I could be wrong, as I often am, but I thought I heard that they had "a person of interest" in custody at the time of the second shooting.
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Old 04-17-2007, 10:51 AM   #124
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I find it hard to believe that he got off that many rounds without someone taking him down.

This is so tragic.

I just talked to my engineering buddy and he's very shaken up, he didn't really say much, just that he was okay and he'd talk to me later.

I'm wondering whether or not he was in the building. This shit is insane.



First of all, prayers for the families, friends and survivors. I'm glad none of our own here at WP were victims. This is horrible.

Aside from the shooter being an insane idiot with no morals, gun control IS THE REASON that 32 people are dead (aside from this monster who should have died anyways). This campus banned guns. This means no security guards had guns and they had no on-campus police patrolling the area regularly. Without this stupid policy, the shooter could have been taken out after his first shot, but instead, he was the only person with a gun and was free to kill as many people as he wanted. This is probably one of the reasons he was allowed to go on a second shooting spree 2 hours after his first two murders. Fleeing or not, the guy needed taken out after shooting two people. Screw the laws saying you can't shoot someone in the back and the "no guns on this happy campus" rules too. I'm definately NOT saying 18-22 year-old college students should have guns, MOST should not, but security and some trained administrators (probably anti-gun people though) should have guns in case of emergency, just as airline pilots should.

This proves again that guns are NECESSARY in society for people to defend themselves. It also proves again that gun control does not save lives, it COSTS them because when you take the guns away from responsible citizens who are the far majority of gun owners, they have no way to defend themselves from criminals and murderers. The criminals and murderers will ALWAYS have guns despite any laws written and enforced against innocent citizens, that's WHY they are called criminals! Laws mean nothing to them!






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Old 04-17-2007, 10:54 AM   #125
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Schneed10 I agree with you!

People are trying to point the finger as to why this happen. It is really easy some sick F decide he would play god today. WE CAN"T MANAGE OUR LIVES AROUND THE 1%.

Well said.
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I've never really bought into the whole, "if only more people had more guns we could solve the problems caused by people having guns" argument. It sounds a lot like circular logic. Moreover, although the NRA hates to admit it, the police almost always oppose laws to effect such ideas.

But, I'm not so concerned about how to solve the gun problem. I'm just more upset for all the victims and their families.
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Old 04-17-2007, 11:01 AM   #127
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I've never really bought into the whole, "if only more people had more guns we could solve the problems caused by people having guns" argument. It sounds a lot like circular logic. Moreover, although the NRA hates to admit it, the police almost always oppose laws to effect such ideas.

But, I'm not so concerned about how to solve the gun problem. I'm just more upset for all the victims and their families.
Yes, we all should be. However, there IS an issue to address after a period to honor the lost and greive for them so a copycat crime doesn't happen, which is always a concern with school shootings. (was a problem after Columbine)
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Yes, we all should be. However, there IS an issue to address after a period to honor the lost and greive for them so a copycat crime doesn't happen, which is always a concern with school shootings. (was a problem after Columbine)
I'm fine with discussing the issue, but I don't want to upset anyone who has a special connection to the event or the victims. It would seem kind of strange (at least to me) to get into a debate about the merits of gun ownership, gun laws, etc. when some people may be grieving.
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Old 04-17-2007, 11:12 AM   #130
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I've never really bought into the whole, "if only more people had more guns we could solve the problems caused by people having guns" argument. It sounds a lot like circular logic. Moreover, although the NRA hates to admit it, the police almost always oppose laws to effect such ideas.

But, I'm not so concerned about how to solve the gun problem. I'm just more upset for all the victims and their families.

I agree.
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Old 04-17-2007, 11:21 AM   #131
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We have a rare thing in this country. It's Freedom. Something most of the world knows nothing about. As long as we don't get crazy, we can do whatever we want. No hassles. No check points. No illegal searches. No "disappearing citizens" without explanation. The down side of that has been demonstrated several times in the last few years. We saw it again yesterday at the campus of Virginia tech.
NO amount of police, security, Crisis planning, Govt intervention, listening devices, etc will GUARANTEE this (and things like it) cannot happen again.
The question is, HOW MUCH are we willing to give up to try?
How much of our PRECIOUS freedom are we willing to sacrifice to safeguard against what COULD happen.
Not to plagiarize Schneed, but do we really want to live our lives around the 1%????
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Food for thought:

"...nobody seems to be aware that there have been incidents in which firearms played a key role in stopping school violence.

Perhaps the most significant was the Jan. 16, 2002 shooting spree at the Appalachian School of Law in Grundy, VA. A Nigerian student named Peter Odighizuwa went on a rampage, gunning down six people, three of them fatally, before other students stopped him. The media appears to have deliberately omitted the fact that two of those students, Mikael Gross and Tracy Bridges, were armed. (legal conceal-and-carry guns)

Teenage gunman Luke Woodham, who perpetrated the 1997 school shooting at a high school in Pearl, MS, was also brought to an abrupt halt at gunpoint.

This time, assistant principal Joel Myrick, retrieved a .45-caliber handgun from his car, parked off campus, and held the youth at gunpoint until police arrived. Again, the major media ignored Myrick’s heroism with a gun."

Source: GunWeek.com
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Old 04-17-2007, 11:51 AM   #133
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You pretty much hit the nail on the head. And the 0.0000001% is probably more accurate.

It seems REALLY cold to say given that it JUST happened this morning, but this is a freak thing. The odds of you sitting in class minding your own beezewax and getting shot by someone who's gone off the deep end are infinitesimally small. The fact that this rampage JUST happened does not change those odds.

Your odds of hitting the powerball, of getting struck by lightning, or of getting attacked by dogs on your way to lunch are probably similar in size.

I wouldn't make any policy decisions. Over the coming days, emotions will run high and people will point fingers, but nobody will be able to agree on who is to blame for this. And that's because there is nobody to blame except the guy who did it, and he's already dead. It's an unfortunate reality, you can't be everywhere at all times to stop evil every time it rears it's ugly head.

Unless you want to hand over a huge portion of your paycheck for total security.
I agree! It would be like mananging your money on the off chance you may win the lottery someday. It would just be dumb!
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Old 04-17-2007, 12:16 PM   #134
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Pierson Prioleau is a grad of Virginia Tech and will be on the Bram Weinstein show today (Triple X) to discuss events
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I think a lot of people confuse gun control with gun non-existence. They are not the same thing. Gun control means law abiding citizens who could be reasonably responsible with guns are unable to carry guns while those who are evil enough to do something like this probably have no qualms about illegally obtaining guns. If gun control meant we could actually eliminate all guns in the entire country then I'd be all for it. Until we can figure that out I am wary of gun control beyond obvious reasonable measures like assault weapons bans. I have never undesrtood why anyone is opposed to that type of limited gun control.
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