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Old 05-08-2007, 04:05 PM   #46
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As I said, I personally am not very religious, but it is kind of hard not to believe in Jesus' teachings (or Allah's, Buddha's, etc.). Basically, treat others as you would want others to treat you, do not judge others because it is not your place (i.e., "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone"), and know that living such a life will reap rewards.

Even if there is no such thing as heaven, good people generally lead FAR happier lives than bad ones. There are a lot of "bad" people with money and power, but if you are such an ass, how many people are you going to have in your life who love you (as opposed to try to suck your blood)? I find that many a-holes lead very unhappy lives because they know what a-holes they are and so do others.
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Old 05-08-2007, 06:16 PM   #47
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In this case, the brush you appear to be using when you lump all religion and the practice of it together as being "evil", etc. To suggest Dr. Martin Luther King, and Jim Jones and what they believe are basically the same is quite a reach in ridicularity.
Hmmm....that would be the brush
What makes you think Christianity is less bizarre than Jim's cult? I particularly find passages concerning salves ironic seeing has how MLK's ancestors were enslaved.
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What makes you think Christianity is less bizarre than Jim's cult? I particularly find passages concerning salves ironic seeing has how MLK's ancestors were enslaved.
C'mon Saden - you're smarter than that. One chapter of a 1000 plus page book written (at least) over 2000 years ago as an example of the underlying religion's "bizarreness"? And then to equate this same passage as being an equivalent basis as a suicide cult? Are you just being purposely obtuse? or do you really believe this is a legitimate comparison of the two religions?
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Old 05-08-2007, 08:36 PM   #49
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C'mon Saden - you're smarter than that. One chapter of a 1000 plus page book written (at least) over 2000 years ago as an example of the underlying religion's "bizarreness"? And then to equate this same passage as being an equivalent basis as a suicide cult? Are you just being purposely obtuse? or do you really believe this is a legitimate comparison of the two religions?
It should also be noted that the coming of Jesus wiped away the Old Testament way of life and expectations of us that God had/has. The Old Testament was the word of God as it pertained to Pre-Savior Jews (and also foretold of everything that occurred in the New Testament). During his life, Jesus preached love. Not only for fellow believers, but also of non-believers. Love (& grace) conquers all.

Basically, God knew that we could never live up to His expectations. Because of our failure He sent Jesus to this earth to live a perfect life and die in our place.

I should also say that in order to be a Christian, all that is required of you is to have a solid faith in Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior. You don't need to go to Jesus Camp, save 10 million lost souls, pledge $50k to a TV preacher, or live an Old Testament lifestyle. It's what is in your heart that truly determines your spiritual fate. Not me, not the Pentecostals, not any preacher, and certainly not the missionaries on the streets can determine this.

God does not command you to do anything you do not wish. We are each given our own free will here on Earth.
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It should also be noted that the coming of Jesus wiped away the Old Testament way of life and expectations of us that God had/has. The Old Testament was the word of God as it pertained to Pre-Savior Jews (and also foretold of everything that occurred in the New Testament). During his life, Jesus preached love. Not only for fellow believers, but also of non-believers. Love (& grace) conquers all.

Basically, God knew that we could never live up to His expectations. Because of our failure He sent Jesus to this earth to live a perfect life and die in our place.

I should also say that in order to be a Christian, all that is required of you is to have a solid faith in Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior. You don't need to go to Jesus Camp, save 10 million lost souls, pledge $50k to a TV preacher, or live an Old Testament lifestyle. It's what is in your heart that truly determines your spiritual fate. Not me, not the Pentecostals, not any preacher, and certainly not the missionaries on the streets can determine this.

God does not command you to do anything you do not wish. We are each given our own free will here on Earth.
Good point, and welcome to the board.

Also if you havent noticed, we are a Redskins forum too, if you are into that kinda stuff lol.
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It should also be noted that the coming of Jesus wiped away the Old Testament way of life and expectations of us that God had/has. The Old Testament was the word of God as it pertained to Pre-Savior Jews (and also foretold of everything that occurred in the New Testament). During his life, Jesus preached love. Not only for fellow believers, but also of non-believers. Love (& grace) conquers all.

Basically, God knew that we could never live up to His expectations. Because of our failure He sent Jesus to this earth to live a perfect life and die in our place.

I should also say that in order to be a Christian, all that is required of you is to have a solid faith in Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior. You don't need to go to Jesus Camp, save 10 million lost souls, pledge $50k to a TV preacher, or live an Old Testament lifestyle. It's what is in your heart that truly determines your spiritual fate. Not me, not the Pentecostals, not any preacher, and certainly not the missionaries on the streets can determine this.

God does not command you to do anything you do not wish. We are each given our own free will here on Earth.
Very nice first post. And let me just add it is an honor to have Monte Coleman join us on this message board. One of the all time greatest players in Redskins history. And one of those cases where you can say he was a "great player, but even better person"
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[quote=hooskins;308221]Um yes you can when they kill innocent people in the name of God. Crusades, jihad, whatever you wanna call it, it is bullshit.



They claim to do it is His name, but it may not be His will. We still have choice, because He loves us. What we decide to do will be judged by Him. I am not talking about it anymore. If you want answers, then talk to Him. I am sure you know where to find a Bible, and how to pray. I will be praying for you. Out of Love, not hate. Peace not war!
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Old 05-09-2007, 01:17 AM   #53
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Coming from a Jewish background I bristle when people assert that Christianity is the one true religion because the clear implication is that my dead relatives are burning in hell. I appreciate it much more when people say that Christianity works for them, but that they respect that other religious faiths - or even having no religion at all - may work equally well for other people.
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Coming from a Jewish background I bristle when people assert that Christianity is the one true religion because the clear implication is that my dead relatives are burning in hell. I appreciate it much more when people say that Christianity works for them, but that they respect that other religious faiths - or even having no religion at all - may work equally well for other people.
Jesus was nothing if not a good jew. In my opinion, Christianity doesn't "replace" judaism but rather is a culmination of its teachings. W/o understanding, believing and accepting the old testament teachings, christianity is a religion out of context. That includes (IMHO) the teachings of tolerance and acceptance.
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Jesus was nothing if not a good jew. In my opinion, Christianity doesn't "replace" judaism but rather is a culmination of its teachings. W/o understanding, believing and accepting the old testament teachings, christianity is a religion out of context. That includes (IMHO) the teachings of tolerance and acceptance.
I'm not sure what you mean? Christianity is a culmination of Jewish teachings for who? For Christians? Certainly not for Jewish people, who reject the new testament. A culmination is believed to be superior to what came before it (the word literally means to reach the highest point) so if I was a little more fanatical I might find what you just said offensive. I don't think you meant it to be, but culmination was a poor word choice imo. How about Christianity builds off of Jewish teachings while going in a new direction?
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I'm not sure what you mean? Christianity is a culmination of Jewish teachings for who? For Christians? Certainly not for Jewish people, who reject the new testament. A culmination is believed to be superior to what came before it (the word literally means to reach the highest point) so if I was a little more fanatical I might find what you just said offensive. I don't think you meant it to be, but culmination was a poor word choice imo. How about Christianity builds off of Jewish teachings while going in a new direction?
Fair enough - for Christians. And no, it was not meant to be offensive. With that said, it is the Christian belief that Christ was the culmination of the "old covenant" and that, rather than a "new direction", the "new covenant" was a continuation of those same old covenant promises through the Christ's death and resurrection.

Given the underlying tension between the two faiths (The Judaic messiah has yet to come v. The Judaic messiah has come), the Christian and Jewish faiths will always on some level be at odds and each side has to use care in communicating with each other - particularly Christians when speaking of the Jewish faith.
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Fair enough - for Christians. And no, it was not meant to be offensive. With that said, it is the Christian belief that Christ was the culmination of the "old covenant" and that, rather than a "new direction", the "new covenant" was a continuation of those same old covenant promises through the Christ's death and resurrection.

Given the underlying tension between the two faiths (The Judaic messiah has yet to come v. The Judaic messiah has come), the Christian and Jewish faiths will always on some level be at odds and each side has to use care in communicating with each other - particularly Christians when speaking of the Jewish faith.
I agree, and I wasn't offended. Thanks for being understanding though.
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Old 05-09-2007, 09:19 AM   #58
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What makes you think Christianity is less bizarre than Jim's cult? I particularly find passages concerning salves ironic seeing has how MLK's ancestors were enslaved.
Actually, I find your post rather.........bizarre.
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In answering the original post about the movie and this group I'm going to dip out of this thread quoting Jesus quoting Isaiah in how I "believe" Jesus would respond to that group and what they are teaching each other and those children. Matthew 15: 7-9

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Matthew 15:7 Hypocrites! Well did Isaiah prophesy about you, saying:
8 ‘ These people draw near to Me with their mouth,
And[e]honor Me with their lips,
But their heart is far from Me.
9 And in vain they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’”


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I'm a curious person by nature and I'm curious as to how you can completely devote yourself to something you've never seen, felt, or have anything except for an ancient book that's not even 1st or 2nd hand stories.
Daseal,

I know you said you were done with this thread and I realize it has taken on a life of its own, but I wanted to address this point - just because of your curiosity.

Part of the Christian experience, and I'm certain this is true most other religions, is the fact that, through study of and meditation on the writings of the "ancient book", you can feel and see God - just not with your fingers and eyes. It's as I said in one of my long posts, if you condition your acceptance of the infinite on the abiltiy to prove its existence through finite, tangible experience then it simply can't be done. It's like trying to explain color to a person who has been blind all their life - if they refuse to believe that color exists unless they can prove its existence through their working senses, it just can't be done.
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