Group Coerced Censorship

FRPLG · 05-16-2007, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

And for anyone that doesn't agree with the mods, 3 months for you bitches!

That's not too bad.

JoeRedskin · 05-16-2007, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

I sincerely apologize to anyone who is upset about my decision to shut down the Falwell thread. It was not "group coerced censorship," it was one mod's censorship. For those of you who are concerned that it may become a theme, let me just say that I can count on one hand the number of threads that I have closed over the past 4 years.

I did not shut down the thread because of the views that were expressed. I personally find it to be in bad taste to talk ill of the dead the day after they died, but that's not why I shut down the thread. Why did I shut it down? I've been a member for years now and I feel like I can spot some trainwrecks before they take place. I saw a trainwreck so I closed the thread....perhaps my vision is bad.

For what little it's worth - I fully supported SGG's decision. I felt about it just about exactly as did SGG. It appeared to be escalating quickly into the realms of incivility that, once reached over the internet, are difficult to pull back from. Additionally, SGG's actions gave everyone a chance to cool off step back and maybe think a little more about how to best communicate ideas. Sometimes a "cooling off period" is necessary and a good mod can recognize that.

My SGG kiss up is now done.

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 05-16-2007, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

My SGG kiss up is now done.

You're my new BFF.

Schneed10 · 05-16-2007, 11:23 AM

I gotta say, mainly to SGG, that this is really no big deal in the end to me. It's probably better that you locked the Fallwell thread down anyway, because that guy didn't deserve another ounce of breath wasted talking about his miserable life.

But it ain't about Fallwell. You made a move that you thought would make this place a better place to have discussions, and I can't hate on that. Thanks for doing what you do, same goes for all the mods.

Monkeydad · 05-16-2007, 12:04 PM

I completely agree with the closing of that thread. It was a very disrespectful and disgusting display. I don't care if you have political disagreements with someone, you don't behave that way towards someone who just died.

Bin Laden would deserve it, he's killed people I know...but Falwell and his family did nothing to deserve that.

What would happen if I did that to VTech victims? I'd be hung and banned, deservingly. But hey, I disagree with their campus gun laws...

I hope a Cowboys board never hears about one of us dying, they'll treat you the same way that some of you treated the passed Reverend Falwell.

Sure you have free speech, just be responsible with it and remember their are consequences to misusing it, like your thread gets closed.

Monkeydad · 05-16-2007, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

I sincerely apologize to anyone who is upset about my decision to shut down the Falwell thread. It was not "group coerced censorship," it was one mod's censorship. For those of you who are concerned that it may become a theme, let me just say that I can count on one hand the number of threads that I have closed over the past 4 years.

I did not shut down the thread because of the views that were expressed. I personally find it to be in bad taste to talk ill of the dead the day after they died, but that's not why I shut down the thread. Why did I shut it down? I've been a member for years now and I feel like I can spot some trainwrecks before they take place. I saw a trainwreck so I closed the thread....perhaps my vision is bad.

No, your vision is 20/20.

Daseal · 05-16-2007, 09:23 PM

Offiss, I don't think anyone here can claim to be an expert on the bible. People dedicate their lives to reading and understanding such large and archaic pieces of work. However, there are basic rules in every religion. Most all of the big religions are the same:
1) Do unto others.
2) Don't lie.
3) Don't kill.
etc.

I mean, basically what someone would consider a 'good' person. I feel a majority of the world fills that criteria. And in all honesty, do you feel Falwell did? AMD put a solid list of many of the awful things that have happened under him. Has he done some good in his life, sure. Faith is what each individual makes of it, in my opinion.

At first I was very upset at the closing of the thread, but that's changed and I can definitely see why it was closed.

djnemo65 · 05-16-2007, 10:12 PM

Isn't ironic that the thread about the thread has been testier than the thread itself?

dmek25 · 05-17-2007, 06:28 AM

anyone thats going to try and tell me Jerry Falwell was a good man...... well maybe they should dig alittle deeper into what he was all about. it has nothing to do with him being a Christian

12thMan · 05-17-2007, 10:26 AM

I think Falwell's biggest indictment, in my opinion, was that he lacked balance in his interpretation and delivery of his convictions. Even truth presented without balance can lead to practical error and ultimately becomes divisive. I think this is why many, in fact, viewed him as divisive.

Whether or not he was a good man...I don't know. I'll say this, those who knew him privately probably have a different opinion from those who knew him through the public scope.

Hog1 · 05-17-2007, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by 12thMan

I think Falwell's biggest indictment, in my opinion, was that he lacked balance in his interpretation and delivery of his convictions. Even truth presented without balance can lead to practical error and ultimately becomes divisive. I think this is why many, in fact, viewed him as divisive.

Whether or not he was a good man...I don't know. I'll say this, those who knew him privately probably have a different opinion from those who knew him through the public scope.

Exactly!
While I personally have no idea if he was good, bad, or Batman???? Being convicted in the media is just spin, swill, and of NO consequence.

JoeRedskin · 05-17-2007, 10:45 AM

As with all things, we will be judged by our actions and Falwell intentionly chose to become a very public persona. The media conviction of Falwell was due in part to many things - some from a segment of media that has a strong anti-christian bias and some from out of context statements taken by Falwell. But, by and large, Falwell chose to act on the public stage and, with knowledge that they would be republished, made intentionally divisive and intolerant statements. If he has been judged harshly by the media, and in turn, the public, he has in fact brought these judgments upon himself.

Just b/c some in private have a different opinion of him does not render him free from judgment for very his public actions and public choices.

As in all things spiritual, judge for yourselves, not for condemnation purposes (i.e. - let one w/out sin cast the first stone), rather for your personal and our corporate wisdom.

12thMan · 05-17-2007, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Hog1

Exactly!
While I personally have no idea if he was good, bad, or Batman???? Being convicted in the media is just spin, swill, and of NO consequence.

Today's media has become synonomous with entertainment. And more and more it's becoming a means by which the general public can judge others. It has very little to do with actual journalism and reporting, and is mainly driven by ratings.

We see it accross the spectrum. Whether it be sports, politics, religion, or entertainment, I think we're starting to cross over into dangerous terrritory with the way news is actually being reported.

Usually when I hear or see the media making an attempt to size up one's character, I try to take it with a grain of salt.

12thMan · 05-17-2007, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

As with all things, we will be judged by our actions and Falwell intentionly chose to become a very public persona. The media conviction of Falwell was due in part to many things - some from a segment of media that has a strong anti-christian bias and some from out of context statements taken by Falwell. But, by and large, Falwell chose to act on the public stage and, with knowledge that they would be republished, made intentionally divisive and intolerant statements. If he has been judged harshly by the media, and in turn, the public, he has in fact brought these judgments upon himself.

Just b/c some in private have a different opinion of him does not render him free from judgment for very his public actions and public choices.

As in all things spiritual, judge for yourselves, not for condemnation purposes (i.e. - let one w/out sin cast the first stone), rather for your personal and our corporate wisdom.

Well said.

Sammy Baugh Fan · 05-17-2007, 11:19 AM

Hey the guy said he was sorry and had asked forgiveness from God and the Bible says He is Faithful and Just to forgive us our sins, and the guy asked the forgivness of people as well.

Each of us has said something so terrible and hateful and utterly wicked to someone or about someone in our lives and it's only the Grace of God the Media didn't here it and hang us on a cross becuase of it.

I just thought my friend Deseal's comment was too nasty for what I beleive to be the way to post around here. That's all. I wasn't saying the Beatles were bigger than Jesus or anything like that. I just said what I said and now all this. Doh! I started channeling John Lennon again

lol

Talk is cool and so is this thread.
peace and bbq grease!
mike

05-16-2007, 11:23 AM	#49
Schneed10 RG Glee Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Newtown Square, PA Age: 33 Posts: 7,895	Re: Group Coerced Censorship I gotta say, mainly to SGG, that this is really no big deal in the end to me. It's probably better that you locked the Fallwell thread down anyway, because that guy didn't deserve another ounce of breath wasted talking about his miserable life. But it ain't about Fallwell. You made a move that you thought would make this place a better place to have discussions, and I can't hate on that. Thanks for doing what you do, same goes for all the mods. __________________ Skins' Salary Cap Status \| CrazyCanuck's Cap Figures by Player \| Salary Cap 101

05-16-2007, 12:04 PM	#50
Monkeydad Gamebreaker Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: PA Age: 34 Posts: 14,884	Re: Group Coerced Censorship I completely agree with the closing of that thread. It was a very disrespectful and disgusting display. I don't care if you have political disagreements with someone, you don't behave that way towards someone who just died. Bin Laden would deserve it, he's killed people I know...but Falwell and his family did nothing to deserve that. What would happen if I did that to VTech victims? I'd be hung and banned, deservingly. But hey, I disagree with their campus gun laws... I hope a Cowboys board never hears about one of us dying, they'll treat you the same way that some of you treated the passed Reverend Falwell. Sure you have free speech, just be responsible with it and remember their are consequences to misusing it, like your thread gets closed.

05-16-2007, 09:23 PM	#52
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, Virginia Age: 30 Posts: 8,058	Re: Group Coerced Censorship Offiss, I don't think anyone here can claim to be an expert on the bible. People dedicate their lives to reading and understanding such large and archaic pieces of work. However, there are basic rules in every religion. Most all of the big religions are the same: 1) Do unto others. 2) Don't lie. 3) Don't kill. etc. I mean, basically what someone would consider a 'good' person. I feel a majority of the world fills that criteria. And in all honesty, do you feel Falwell did? AMD put a solid list of many of the awful things that have happened under him. Has he done some good in his life, sure. Faith is what each individual makes of it, in my opinion. At first I was very upset at the closing of the thread, but that's changed and I can definitely see why it was closed. __________________ Best. Player. Available.

05-16-2007, 10:12 PM	#53
djnemo65 Playmaker Join Date: May 2004 Location: MA Age: 32 Posts: 2,836	Re: Group Coerced Censorship Isn't ironic that the thread about the thread has been testier than the thread itself?

05-17-2007, 06:28 AM	#54
dmek25 MVP Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: lancaster,pa Age: 51 Posts: 10,440	Re: Group Coerced Censorship anyone thats going to try and tell me Jerry Falwell was a good man...... well maybe they should dig alittle deeper into what he was all about. it has nothing to do with him being a Christian __________________ "It's better to be quiet and thought a fool than to open ones mouth and remove all doubt." courtesy of 53fan

05-17-2007, 10:26 AM	#55
12thMan MVP Join Date: May 2005 Location: washington, D.C. Posts: 11,363	Re: Group Coerced Censorship I think Falwell's biggest indictment, in my opinion, was that he lacked balance in his interpretation and delivery of his convictions. Even truth presented without balance can lead to practical error and ultimately becomes divisive. I think this is why many, in fact, viewed him as divisive. Whether or not he was a good man...I don't know. I'll say this, those who knew him privately probably have a different opinion from those who knew him through the public scope.

05-17-2007, 10:45 AM	#57
JoeRedskin Contains football related knowledge Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Second Star On The Right Age: 50 Posts: 7,146	Re: Group Coerced Censorship As with all things, we will be judged by our actions and Falwell intentionly chose to become a very public persona. The media conviction of Falwell was due in part to many things - some from a segment of media that has a strong anti-christian bias and some from out of context statements taken by Falwell. But, by and large, Falwell chose to act on the public stage and, with knowledge that they would be republished, made intentionally divisive and intolerant statements. If he has been judged harshly by the media, and in turn, the public, he has in fact brought these judgments upon himself. Just b/c some in private have a different opinion of him does not render him free from judgment for very his public actions and public choices. As in all things spiritual, judge for yourselves, not for condemnation purposes (i.e. - let one w/out sin cast the first stone), rather for your personal and our corporate wisdom. __________________ My Little Pony: Friendship is magic? or ... a repressive matriarchal society where individuals' roles are defined by their immutable physical characteristics and governance is reserved for those who demonstrate the genetic purity of the pony master race?

05-17-2007, 11:19 AM	#60
Sammy Baugh Fan Playmaker Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Northern Virginia, Woodbridge Age: 51 Posts: 2,507	Re: Group Coerced Censorship Hey the guy said he was sorry and had asked forgiveness from God and the Bible says He is Faithful and Just to forgive us our sins, and the guy asked the forgivness of people as well. Each of us has said something so terrible and hateful and utterly wicked to someone or about someone in our lives and it's only the Grace of God the Media didn't here it and hang us on a cross becuase of it. I just thought my friend Deseal's comment was too nasty for what I beleive to be the way to post around here. That's all. I wasn't saying the Beatles were bigger than Jesus or anything like that. I just said what I said and now all this. Doh! I started channeling John Lennon again lol Talk is cool and so is this thread. peace and bbq grease! mike __________________ Check out Mike Hedrick - The Next Food Network Star. Please Click and give me a Thumbs Up and Positive Comment. Thanks

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