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Old 05-17-2007, 01:40 PM   #61
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Well if you believe the feel good religion philosophy, which is not what the bible teaches, yes main stream religion is exactly that, be a good person and you will go to heaven, but that is not what the bible teaches, the bible is filled with ugly language about hell and the cosequences of sin, and that is what people don't want to hear about, so speak on them is to be persecuted by all who just want to hear that the sky is always blue, alway's say please and thank you, and there is a pot of gold at the end of every rainbow, when the fact is thats just not true. Hell is a real place.


Matthew-7- "13": Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:

"14": Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.


Psalms-9-"17": The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God.


Mark-9-"43": And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:

"44": Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

"45": And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:

"46": Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

"47": And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire:

"48": Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.



According to the bible there is only one way to avoid this end.



John-14-"6": Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.


John-3-"3": Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

Offiss, these are very powerful scriptures.

This may open up a whole new can of worms on this thread.

I think for the individual that believes the Bible or should I say believes in the Bible, these scriptures are irrefutable.
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Old 05-17-2007, 01:51 PM   #62
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offiss, are we in agreement that no matter who reads the bible, it will be interpreted differently? religion is about finding inner peace, no matter how it is achieved. do you really believe that Muslims are bred to kill, according to their scriptures? i would be willing to bet NO religion would condone killing. but many interpret it just that way.
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i would be willing to bet NO religion would condone killing. but many interpret it just that way.
Yeah, but that's called being crazy, not simply having a 'different' interpretation. There are lots of things the Bible is open to interpretation on, but getting into heaven is cut and dry:

You want in heaven, you gotta believe in Christ, that's it. Point blank.

The real question is, do you believe in the Bible? For me, that's a big eff no. I think it's a bunch of phoney crap. But that's just me.
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The real question is, do you believe in the Bible? For me, that's a big eff no. I think it's a bunch of phoney crap. But that's just me.
I am aware that a similar discussion is/was being carried out in another thread containing similar "I don't believe the Bible" statements and I am not trying to hijack this one but I do have question based on your statement. Mostly out of curiousity.

My question is this - When you say "I don't believe in the Bible" are you saying that you don't believe it as a historical document - i.e. that the information contained it is historically inaccurate? Are you saying that you don't believe in its use as a teaching guide (regardless of the particular christian sect)? Are you saying their are certain principles you believe are contained in the Bible that you disagree with (i.e. - the existence of God)?

I don't "believe in" the Bible. Rather, the Bible provides guidance and insight to me in following my beliefs. I have certain beliefs about how the Bible was written and created, but, again, I do not consider this "believing in" the Bible. Instead, it is beliefs about the Bible.

Many people say they do or don't "believe in the Bible". I am just curious as to what it is you don't "believe" about it.
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Old 05-17-2007, 02:37 PM   #65
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I am aware that a similar discussion is/was being carried out in another thread containing similar "I don't believe the Bible" statements and I am not trying to hijack this one but I do have question based on your statement. Mostly out of curiousity.

My question is this - When you say "I don't believe in the Bible" are you saying that you don't believe it as a historical document - i.e. that the information contained it is historically inaccurate? Are you saying that you don't believe in its use as a teaching guide (regardless of the particular christian sect)? Are you saying their are certain principles you believe are contained in the Bible that you disagree with (i.e. - the existence of God)?

I don't "believe in" the Bible. Rather, the Bible provides guidance and insight to me in following my beliefs. I have certain beliefs about how the Bible was written and created, but, again, I do not consider this "believing in" the Bible. Instead, it is beliefs about the Bible.

Many people say they do or don't "believe in the Bible". I am just curious as to what it is you don't "believe" about it.
Yeah you're right, it's a pretty broad statement. A summary of my beliefs:

- I don't believe there is a God, a heaven, or a hell.

- I believe that a guy named Jesus existed claiming to be the son of God, because that's been established as historical fact.

- I think a lot of the stories written in the Bible about the amazing things Jesus did, like walking on water, curing the sick, etc. are made up.

- But I do think that the teachings of Jesus, and the way he taught people to live their lives, are great ways to live your life. I'm skeptical of the existence of a higher power, and basically skeptical of believing in anything that has no scientific evidence to indicate it exists. But regardless, I'd like to live my life like Jesus because it just feels like the morally right way to live.
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schneed, you know the old saying, "if you keep saying something long enough, soon you start to believe it". even if its not true. this might sound stupid, but as a 45 year old man, im not really sure what i believe. it seems like it changes all the time
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Yeah you're right, it's a pretty broad statement. A summary of my beliefs:

- I don't believe there is a God, a heaven, or a hell.

- I believe that a guy named Jesus existed claiming to be the son of God, because that's been established as historical fact.

- I think a lot of the stories written in the Bible about the amazing things Jesus did, like walking on water, curing the sick, etc. are made up.

- But I do think that the teachings of Jesus, and the way he taught people to live their lives, are great ways to live your life. I'm skeptical of the existence of a higher power, and basically skeptical of believing in anything that has no scientific evidence to indicate it exists. But regardless, I'd like to live my life like Jesus because it just feels like the morally right way to live.
Fair enough. Actually, this is a pretty accurate description of my beliefs approximately 15 or so years ago.
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Fair enough. Actually, this is a pretty accurate description of my beliefs approximately 15 or so years ago.
Interesting to see that things changed for you. I plan to always keep an open mind about it. Maybe something will compell me to make the leap of faith in the future, and forget the fact that there's just no scientific evidence. Who knows.

As of now though, I'm too hung up on the no evidence thing.
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Offiss - Just one comment.

Christianity consistently says that it is the "sure and certain hope of salvation". Thus, in acknowledging its surety and certainty of salvation, it also recognizes that is a "hope" and not a provable event.

Another one of those contradictions that makes you go "hmmmmm"
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Well if you believe the feel good religion philosophy, which is not what the bible teaches, yes main stream religion is exactly that, be a good person and you will go to heaven, but that is not what the bible teaches, the bible is filled with ugly language about hell and the cosequences of sin, and that is what people don't want to hear about, so speak on them is to be persecuted by all who just want to hear that the sky is always blue, alway's say please and thank you, and there is a pot of gold at the end of every rainbow, when the fact is thats just not true. Hell is a real place.


Matthew-7- "13": Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:

"14": Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.


Psalms-9-"17": The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God.


Mark-9-"43": And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:

"44": Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

"45": And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:

"46": Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

"47": And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire:

"48": Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.



According to the bible there is only one way to avoid this end.



John-14-"6": Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.


John-3-"3": Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
Nice post O,
THAT's my belief
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Yeah you're right, it's a pretty broad statement. A summary of my beliefs:

- I don't believe there is a God, a heaven, or a hell.

- I believe that a guy named Jesus existed claiming to be the son of God, because that's been established as historical fact.

- I think a lot of the stories written in the Bible about the amazing things Jesus did, like walking on water, curing the sick, etc. are made up.

- But I do think that the teachings of Jesus, and the way he taught people to live their lives, are great ways to live your life. I'm skeptical of the existence of a higher power, and basically skeptical of believing in anything that has no scientific evidence to indicate it exists. But regardless, I'd like to live my life like Jesus because it just feels like the morally right way to live.
This is also exactly how I believe. The bible is a book of fables used to teach lessons about morality. Most of the 'western' religions are practically the same values regurgitated. Christians, Jews, and Muslims believe in overall the same thing, just different prophets and different stories.
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This is also exactly how I believe. The bible is a book of fables used to teach lessons about morality. Most of the 'western' religions are practically the same values regurgitated. Christians, Jews, and Muslims believe in overall the same thing, just different prophets and different stories.

I believe...
The Bible
I believe that the Holy Bible is the verbally
inspired Word of God; that it is inerrant; and
that it is our sole authority for faith and practice.

God
I believe there is only one true God; eternally
existing in three Persons
Father, Son and Holy Spirit
each of whom possesses equally all of the divine attributes.

Jesus Christ
I believe that Jesus Christ is fully God and fully man,
that He was born of a virgin, that He lived a sinless life,
died for sinners, rose from the dead,
ascended into heaven,
and that He will return to the earth one day.

The Holy Spirit
I believe that the Holy Spirit is fully God
and that He enlightens the minds of sinners,
and indwells, seals, comforts,
and guides believers into the truth.

Not a sermon just some thoughts.
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And for anyone that doesn't agree with the mods, 3 months for you bitches!
That's not very nice....? BITCH
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Yeah you're right, it's a pretty broad statement. A summary of my beliefs:

- I don't believe there is a God, a heaven, or a hell.

- I believe that a guy named Jesus existed claiming to be the son of God, because that's been established as historical fact.

- I think a lot of the stories written in the Bible about the amazing things Jesus did, like walking on water, curing the sick, etc. are made up.

- But I do think that the teachings of Jesus, and the way he taught people to live their lives, are great ways to live your life. I'm skeptical of the existence of a higher power, and basically skeptical of believing in anything that has no scientific evidence to indicate it exists. But regardless, I'd like to live my life like Jesus because it just feels like the morally right way to live.
Well said and I agree 100 percent.

As for the media conviction of Falwell I think it's quite the opposite. He was allowed to maintain a media presence - appearing as an "expert" on panel discussions until his death - in spite of saying bitter hateful things that would have had anyone else tarred and feathered. Compare some of the disgusting things Falwell said over his career with what got Imus canned, and you will see that Reverend Falwell was much much worse.

Falwell will go down historically as the person most responsible for fusing politics and religion, and for that I would hope he is reserved a special spot in hell if I believed in hell, which I don't.
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That's not very nice....? BITCH
It's 3 months for each mod. So it's like a 2 year ban
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