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70Chip · 05-19-2007, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by saden1

If you can believe in being able to drive beautiful cars in the sky why not take the leap of faith and believe in 70 beautiful virgins? Better yet, deflatable and potable 70 virgins that can fit into the trunk of a car. I'm thinking, you can say "I'm Horny" and they all inflate, come to life, and proceed to please a man in ways we can't possibly imagine. When they are done servicing you they deflate and go back to the trunk of the car and you drive into the sunset.

Your idea of heaven is being able to put women in your trunk after sex? Paging Dr. Lecter. Paging Dr. Lecter.

djnemo65 · 05-19-2007, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by angryssg

What evidence? Do you accecpt being the offspring of nothing but maybe pondwater? Second of all the world is only 6000+ years old. Try me on this if you will, but everyone who has ever tried to disprove God has failed and ended up beliving in the first place. Can you come up with "factual evidence" that I am wrong and that God doesn't exist? No, you cannot, you can only regergatate what has been impounded into your head as truth. In actuallity it is a Theory, or ones belief, a lie or a myth that has been spoken to you since birth! In other words it is your religion!

One last thing on this Angry. This is a really weak take. It is not up to nonbelievers to prove that God doesn't exist, anymore than it is incumbent upon you to prove that I am not God, or that my neighbor can't fly, or that Venus is not made of silver, or any other infinite possibilities. What science does is look at observable evidence and try to come up with the best possible explanation based upon that. It doesn't purport to "prove" anything, only construct the best story. Often science is incorrect, but it will always be superior to religion as a method of interpreting reality because it requires no leap in judgment or suspension of rationality, and because it offers the simplest most logical explanation based upon observation and consensus.

Please reference 70 chip's post which I think makes a great point. Religion is a personal phenomenon that exists beyond reason. Gut level is what it is, I believe he says. If you are moved to believe in it that is fine, but if you try to invoke the language of science to argue that it is an equally plausible explanation for our reality, you will fail.

Finally, people often say that certain things are only "theories" and act as if they have made a good point, when they have not. In science something begins as a hypothesis. Once this hypothesis has been sufficiently investigated, and the majority of other scientists have accepted its conclusions, it becomes a theory, which means that it is accepted as the best possible explanation available. Even when the proof of such a theory becomes overwhelming, it will always be a theory. It is the strongest support the scientific community can bestow upon an argument. So again, believe in religion if you will, that's fine, but don't call something a theory and act as if that is an indictment of its believed veracity, because the opposite is true.

saden1 · 05-19-2007, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by 70Chip

Your idea of heaven is being able to put women in your trunk after sex? Paging Dr. Lecter. Paging Dr. Lecter.

Not if you put it like that...lol

I just thought if heave provides perks, 70 virgins would be an in demand perk and probably doable by the almighty god. Them being inflatable is just a bonus.

GTripp0012 · 05-19-2007, 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Daseal

Wow. What an awful post. First of all, evolution is something that goes over thousands and thousands of years, second of all you made absolutely no mention of there being proof of god. You can ignore all the evidence of evolution if you want, but it might be best to keep it to yourself.

Why so quick to dismiss one arguably incomplete explination (biblical creation), and buy another (evolution)?

Open-mindedness is the best possible way to approach the theory of evolution, but that would require one to be willing to potentially reject an incomplete theory. By all means correct me if I'm wrong Daseal, but what makes Angry's assumption that evolution is false any less awful that your assumption that the bible was fabricated?

saden1 · 05-19-2007, 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by offiss

Where exactly did all these virgins come from? Certainly not from this planet!

God works in mysterious ways?

djnemo65 · 05-20-2007, 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Why so quick to dismiss one arguably incomplete explination (biblical creation), and buy another (evolution)?

Open-mindedness is the best possible way to approach the theory of evolution, but that would require one to be willing to potentially reject an incomplete theory. By all means correct me if I'm wrong Daseal, but what makes Angry's assumption that evolution is false any less awful that your assumption that the bible was fabricated?

It's not about anything being awful, it's about what's true. Moreover, it's not enough to argue that a theory is incomplete, you must also proffer a better explanation based on observable evidence, which no one has been able to do to the satisfaction of the scientific community. This is what so many religious people just don't understand: pointing out flaws in evolutionary theory without offering a better theory based on scientific standards constitutes an incomplete argument.

If you want to believe in religion fine, but don't act like it's equally plausible based on testable scientific observation because it's not.

Daseal · 05-20-2007, 10:39 AM

Gtripp: I believe in evolution, those are my beliefs. It makes sense to me and is based in science. However, I don't feel like I'm on here saying: My beliefs are infallible and if you don't believe them you're stupid and going to hell. People will believe what they will and that is 100% their choice. However, I can't understand how anyone can say I'm 100% right when there is little to no evidence to support their argument.

saden1 · 05-20-2007, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by offiss

The curious question here is have you ever looked upon the history of the muslim nation of islam? Perhaps you should before you try to make a comparison to christianity in a wordly sense. They haven't changed one bit since it's birth. These so called leaders have been the same throughout the history of the religion, why do you think that is? Join us or die is their battle cry, and that has stood for centuries. You some how want to blame these leaders for the negative outlook on Islam, the fact is they are nothing more than a reflection of Islam. If they didn't have the U.S. and Israel to fight they would be killing each other, it is a brutal, and hostile religion, take a long hard look at Darfur, they are killing their own I believe the term to be used is genicide. They look down their noses at african muslims, not much different as their thought on the palestinians, they are looked at as peasants of the Arab world, but they provide a thorn is the side of Israel so they are supported.

If you do your homework you will find that ethnicity is more imortant in the Arab world than Islam, Islam is the vehicle they use to excuse and justify their hostile intent.

I am very well aware of accomplishments of Islamic culture. I find your post disturbing and lacking historical context. To be frank, you're ideas and thoughts on Islam are not that of an educated individual. If you want to attribute every evil conduct that takes place in the Islamic world to Islam then maybe it's time you attribute evil conduct that takes place in the western world to Christianity. You sir certainly have a rosy view of Christianity.

You present nothing worthy of discussion, just a bunch of ill thought irrational rants.

saden1 · 05-21-2007, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by offiss

If you are so aware why didn't you list some of their great accomplishments and educate me? And please provide something a little more than them digging a hole in the ground and striking oil.

How about the Moors who built magnificent cities while the Christian nations were living in their own filth? How about their contribution to medicine, mathematics, science? If you really want to learn about the accomplishments of Islamic culture you should read this book.

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Originally Posted by offiss

You do seem awfully defensive, I didn't say all evil stems from Islam, why would you assume that?

You're the one who said "Islam is THE poison." That's seems a like pretty clear statement to me especially when coupled with your past statments.

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Originally Posted by offiss

The fact is I did present a factual argument with Darfur, I can go on, and on, and on, and on, if you like, but I don't believe I will be telling someone as knowledgeable as yourself anything you already don't know would I?

You're argument that Darfur is somehow representative of Islam as whole is vicious fallacy. If you're going to attribute the tragedy taking place their to Islam I wonder what your take on the German people and the slaughter of millions of Jews? Yugoslavians and the slaughter of ethnic Albanians. Or how about America and the decimation of the American Indians population and the enslavement and murder of millions of Africans? Can I blame all of that on Christianity?

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I am more educated on these type of matters than you could ever dream to be my friend!

You don't seem to but maybe I'm just too dumb to get you.

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Originally Posted by offiss

Unlike christianity which has policed itself throughout it's history, show me the muslim sect that is defending America, show me the Muslim sect that is purging their own house by adding us in the war on terror by tracking down Bin Laden on their own, the fact is they all jumped for joy when 9-11 hit, and have done nothing to bring Bin Laden to justice, but have done everything to protect him, please tell me where the pro american muslim's are I would like to know? I never see muslims speaking out against other muslims when it comes to the U.S. The fact is they all would be jumping for joy if they were able to wipe us off the map tommorrow.

Do you personally know a Muslim? Have you ever talked to one? You're whole view on Islam seems centered on the 911 attack. When Bin Laden has 25 million on his head I very much doubt anyone but those who agree with him are protecting him.

Also, I find your suggestions that Muslims aught to parade themselves in front of a TV camera to denounce Bin Laden ludicrous. Some have actually come out and held a vigil while others celebrated. Come to think of it, why should all Muslims around the world come out in support of the U.S? Especially when you consider what the U.S. is and isn't doing around the world. Even at home there is no love for Muslims (i.e. you who profess to be a Christian and to love th'y neighbor, turn the other cheek, blah, blah). Hell, even when a Muslim wins a public office some stupid prick asks him to profess his loyalty to this nation.

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Originally Posted by offiss

Sorry pal they attacked us, they drew first blood, and have done nothing to make restitution on their own, that is why we are in the middle east right now, providing them with the proper motivation.

I very much doubt the U.S. has accomplished anything in this war.

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Originally Posted by offiss

Who would you attribute it to?

I know one thing, it would be foolish to attribute it to Islam and pretend Christianity can't be held to the same standards.

05-20-2007, 10:39 AM	#112
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, Virginia Age: 30 Posts: 8,057	Re: Group Coerced Censorship Gtripp: I believe in evolution, those are my beliefs. It makes sense to me and is based in science. However, I don't feel like I'm on here saying: My beliefs are infallible and if you don't believe them you're stupid and going to hell. People will believe what they will and that is 100% their choice. However, I can't understand how anyone can say I'm 100% right when there is little to no evidence to support their argument. __________________ Best. Player. Available.

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