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Old 06-02-2007, 08:23 PM   #166
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Not sending us to Iraq in the first place would have been a good start.
See that's what he is talking about. All these Dems basically jusy say that. They have no answers other than "not what we are currently doing." That is why so many people look at the Dems as the party of no ideas. Of course just as many people look at the Reps as the party of bad ideas. Which is worse? I don't know. But years of doing nothing about Muslim extremists didn't do the job. It is time the Dems started saying what we should be doing to combat terrorism in general.

When people like John Edwards deny that there is even a war against terrorism it just shows have naive they are.
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Old 06-02-2007, 08:45 PM   #167
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No matter how you look at it, we as a country still chose the lesser of two evils.
Every time I hear that I snicker inside and then realize what constitutes evil is a matter of prospective.
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Not sending us to Iraq in the first place would have been a good start.

dems. & rep. both voted in support of bush to go to war in iraq.
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dems. & rep. both voted in support of bush to go to war in iraq.

and that settles that
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See that's what he is talking about. All these Dems basically jusy say that. They have no answers other than "not what we are currently doing." That is why so many people look at the Dems as the party of no ideas. Of course just as many people look at the Reps as the party of bad ideas. Which is worse? I don't know. But years of doing nothing about Muslim extremists didn't do the job. It is time the Dems started saying what we should be doing to combat terrorism in general.

When people like John Edwards deny that there is even a war against terrorism it just shows have naive they are.
count me as one of those naive people. how the hell can you fight a war, when you really have no idea WHO the enemy is? time for us to pack our bags, and see how bad Iraq really wants a democracy. let them work for it, not have us there babysitting. and i always get a kick out of people that say democrats have no plan. can one person please tell what Geo. Bush's plan consists of? removing Hussein, and then what?
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Old 06-03-2007, 10:49 AM   #171
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Dmek,

I agree that Bush lacked a realistic post-Saddam Iraq plan, but I definately agree that the Dems have no plan either. And, I don't think that you can justify the Dems' lack of a plan by referencing Bush's lack of a plan. I've got to admit, as much as I disdain Bush's politics, I disdain the Dems as much. I think FRPLG is right in that the Dems keep criticizing Bush (which is easy and scores a lot of points with the public), but none of them, when pressed, can articulate what they would do differently. Sometimes they speak in platitudes to avoid being held to those statements, but none of them offer anything of substance. IMHO, if you can't offer an alternative, you should probably be quiet. I strongly disagree with those who are calling for an immediate withdrawal, but I can at least respect them for presenting Plan B.
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I agree that Bush lacked a realistic post-Saddam Iraq plan, but I definately agree that the Dems have no plan either. And, I don't think that you can justify the Dems' lack of a plan by referencing Bush's lack of a plan. I've got to admit, as much as I disdain Bush's politics, I disdain the Dems as much. I think FRPLG is right in that the Dems keep criticizing Bush (which is easy and scores a lot of points with the public), but none of them, when pressed, can articulate what they would do differently. Sometimes they speak in platitudes to avoid being held to those statements, but none of them offer anything of substance. IMHO, if you can't offer an alternative, you should probably be quiet. I strongly disagree with those who are calling for an immediate withdrawal, but I can at least respect them for presenting Plan B.
Well, it's not like the Dems are the only ones critizing Bush. His own party has had harsh critism of both invading and exiting Iraq.The fact of the matter is each day that goes on makes an exit strategy much more complicated. There are bad options and worse options at this point.
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count me as one of those naive people. how the hell can you fight a war, when you really have no idea WHO the enemy is? time for us to pack our bags, and see how bad Iraq really wants a democracy. let them work for it, not have us there babysitting. and i always get a kick out of people that say democrats have no plan. can one person please tell what Geo. Bush's plan consists of? removing Hussein, and then what?
Well, before this war started, Bush warned us it would take a LONG time to complete. He was right. We will leave when we are at an acceptable level of terrorism. We can not irradicate terrorism 100%, it's impossible, but when there are still many attacks, clearly the job is not yet done and therefore we should not pull out. Otherwise the lives we lost would be in vain, and a disgrace to each family. No point in starting something you can't finish, but we (especially Dems) are a group of quitters. It's the American way.

Why do we as Americans think we know everything? I have no freakin clue what is REALLY going on with this war, and neither do you because the powers that be have no intentions of telling us what is truely going on. Why would they? 1 person is intelligent, but put 300 million people together, and we are collectively dumb sheep. Dumb sheep panic. We give great advice sitting in our nice AC houses and comfy sofas and only knowing half of the story at best...it another story in what is ACTUALLY going on.
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Well, before this war started, Bush warned us it would take a LONG time to complete. He was right. We will leave when we are at an acceptable level of terrorism. We can not irradicate terrorism 100%, it's impossible, but when there are still many attacks, clearly the job is not yet done and therefore we should not pull out. Otherwise the lives we lost would be in vain, and a disgrace to each family. No point in starting something you can't finish, but we (especially Dems) are a group of quitters. It's the American way.

Why do we as Americans think we know everything? I have no freakin clue what is REALLY going on with this war, and neither do you because the powers that be have no intentions of telling us what is truely going on. Why would they? 1 person is intelligent, but put 300 million people together, and we are collectively dumb sheep. Dumb sheep panic. We give great advice sitting in our nice AC houses and comfy sofas and only knowing half of the story at best...it another story in what is ACTUALLY going on.

Let me get this, the public is too stupid to get the big picture so it might be best for the government to pretend it doesn't exist? Hmm, perhaps the government should educate the public? Naaah, an educated public is dangerous because it won't fall for bullshit easily. Keep the people fat, dumb, and lazy I say.
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Let me get this, the public is too stupid to get the big picture so it might be best for the government to pretend it doesn't exist? Hmm, perhaps the government should educate the public? Naaah, an educated public is dangerous because it won't fall for bullshit easily. Keep the people fat, dumb, and lazy I say.
Wow, you have a lot of confidence in the general public. Again, 1 person is smart, 300 million are collectively stupid.

ps- the government has ALWAYS kept information from the general public...you expect them to start all of sudden telling you stuff now? We are on a need to know basis at best. That's not going to change.
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See that's what he is talking about. All these Dems basically jusy say that. They have no answers other than "not what we are currently doing." That is why so many people look at the Dems as the party of no ideas. Of course just as many people look at the Reps as the party of bad ideas. Which is worse? I don't know. But years of doing nothing about Muslim extremists didn't do the job. It is time the Dems started saying what we should be doing to combat terrorism in general.

When people like John Edwards deny that there is even a war against terrorism it just shows have naive they are.
They really are not naive, they know that thier ideas are not in the best interest of the country but they figure the end justifies the means once they get in, you see if they attack someone it's for the good of the people, but if another party does the same thing it's us making the world angry at us. Thier platform as a whole is based on opposition of the repub's, that is why they are the party of no ideas, they just take an opposite stance to the opposing party and make that thier platform, and usually have no solution or regard for the consquences of that opposition, or a better direction once they get thier wish.

Case and point, they want to make the opposition to the war on terror thier battle cry, in so doing hoping to gain support from people tired of the war, yet what will they do if they do take over to secure the safety of this nation? Just sit back and do nothing? Just say we wont bother you so you shouldn't bother us? They will sit around in ignorance until the next attack, 8 years of dems [Clinton] and we were attacked how many times? They attacked the WTC in I believe 94' and failed to drop it, the USS cole and almost sunk it, and 2 embassies in Kenya, and Tanzania [not to mention a billion dollars a year to N. Korea while 10's of thousands of people starved to death so N. Korea could develope a nucluer program] and what was done? Impossed santions? That did nothing but allow Bin Laden breathing room to cultivate the 9-11 attack which I might add should be credited to Clintons legacy, he laid the ground work with his failure to go after Bin Laden and his ilk to begin with, now we should stop chaseing this vermin because someone want's to be president? I may be wrong about this but I don't believe we have been attacked on our soil since 9-11. Keeping the enemy on the run is the best defense we have right now. Something the Dems want no part of! And for all those that think pulling out of Iraq and leaving Al Qaeda alone will settle the hostility and bring peace? Good luck and God bless, because we are a target and alway's will be!

If someone wants to make the case that we shouldn't be setting up a new gov't in Iraq? OK, but to say that we are not safer now for having gone in thier and having wiped out thier gov't structure is foolish.

I say leave them to themselves, set a major military base in Iraq to keep a strong hold in that region to keep an eye on the entire middle east which would allow us to strike at a moments notice if they try any funny buisness over here, or anywhere else for that matter, and confiscate the oil fields it's about time the people responsible for this so called Jihad against us start fitting the bill!

Boy did I ever turn this subject around, and I wasen't remotly planning on it.
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Old 06-04-2007, 03:16 PM   #177
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That's politics.

This type of reasoning seems to assume the Democrats all had a big meeting somewhere and decided they would espouse opposing views despite their negavtive effects. I am sorry but I don't believe that. I think there are politicians in Washington DC, both Dem and Rep, who are there just for power and will do anything to keep it. But I don't any entire party of people is made up of these people. Dems, I feel, honestly believe their views are right. Just like Republicans. My guess as to why the Dems "seem" to have no ideas is that the Reps ideas are often so black and white and built on logic(faulty or not) and the Dems views are built largely on emotions. Sometimes it hard to argue on emotion. Even if it is sometimes right. That isn't probably stated very well but I don't feel like spending 20 minutes writing a more complete response. Essentially I think you are wrong. Dems aren't the evil opposite decrying the conservative ways for no benefit other than their own. They simply disgaree and seem to have no solid ideas. At least on terrorism.
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And, might I add, it is this kind of attitude that creates an "us versus them" mentality that stiffles discussion and leads us no where.

At the end of the day people need to realize that, guess what, on some issues Dems are more right than Reps and vice versa. That is why compromise is so important. That is why discussion is so important. Without true debate and hasing out of issues all we get is one sided simple solutions to complex problems. Maybe if polticiams got back on the same page that would end. The same page is that of doing what is right for EVERYONE. Not just the poor people, and not just the rich.
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Agreed. The democratic strategy currently is to look at George Bush's poor approval rating and claim that the plan is to do the opposite of what he's doing.

There are no fresh ideas. NONE.

- How do you propose we get out of Iraq without seeing the Iraqi government, military, and police force fold to the well-funded (by Iran and Syria) insurgency?

- How do you propose we maintain the historically very low levels of unemployment and inflation AND balance the budget at the same time?

- How do you propose we free ourselves from the dependency on foreign oil? I hear you say "we have to reduce our dependency on foreign oil", but I don't hear any "HOW".

- How do you propose we stop the ascending costs of healthcare and college education?

If you're going to just crap on George Bush and expect to make it into office, well, it just might work because so few like George Bush. But you won't get my vote, because crapping on Bush doesn't make you a leader, it just makes you a critic.
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Old 06-04-2007, 03:32 PM   #180
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I mean, who has solid ideas on terrorism? Certainly not the Republicans. Washington as a whole has been in a reactionary mode post 9/11; On both sides of the aisle, I might add.

This notion that the Dems don't have any solid ideas, in my opinion, just isn't true. Especially on terrorism. Yes, the Dems have had some issues, but I don't think they lack "ideas". I think they have, at least up until now, lacked solid leadership that can brand the party together and move them in one direction. This is why this election is so important. The nominee, and hopefully the new President, whether that be Hillary or Obama, has to be a visionary and set the course for the party for the next 8 years, if not more.
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