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Old 06-01-2007, 12:44 PM   #181
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I don't usually see posts in which everything is absolutely misunderstood or flat out wrong because of disinformation, but here's a case in point.
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Bush never said that Iraq had anything to do with 9/11 and even the 9/11 report said that there were links between Iraq and Bin Laden. There were some that said Iraq had no nuclear weapons but UN, Other major countries, most all in congress and senate, Bill Clinton, and many, many more said he did have them. Most of the debate at the time was not rather he had WMD's but was it worth going to war for. Many a politicians want you to think that they were tricked into the war but its just them trying to gt out of what they did.

So could you please tell me what in this post is flate out wrong.
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It always astounds me how strong are the two sides of this debate are in their convictions.

1- I would hate to see where this country would be and where our taxes would be if Kerry won the election. No matter how you look at it, we as a country still chose the lesser of two evils.

2- I would still LOVE for some Democrat to step up and tell me their full blown plans to correct things. Anyone can say "I can fix it", but the proof is in the pudding...can you actually fix it? For as much as we would like to complain about Bush and his policies etc, I don't think a single democrat could have done it better. I would actually have wagered we would have had a massive terrorist attack had a Republican / Bush not been in office.
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I don't think a single democrat could have done it better.
Not sending us to Iraq in the first place would have been a good start.
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Old 06-02-2007, 09:23 PM   #184
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Not sending us to Iraq in the first place would have been a good start.
See that's what he is talking about. All these Dems basically jusy say that. They have no answers other than "not what we are currently doing." That is why so many people look at the Dems as the party of no ideas. Of course just as many people look at the Reps as the party of bad ideas. Which is worse? I don't know. But years of doing nothing about Muslim extremists didn't do the job. It is time the Dems started saying what we should be doing to combat terrorism in general.

When people like John Edwards deny that there is even a war against terrorism it just shows have naive they are.
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No matter how you look at it, we as a country still chose the lesser of two evils.
Every time I hear that I snicker inside and then realize what constitutes evil is a matter of prospective.
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Not sending us to Iraq in the first place would have been a good start.

dems. & rep. both voted in support of bush to go to war in iraq.
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dems. & rep. both voted in support of bush to go to war in iraq.

and that settles that
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See that's what he is talking about. All these Dems basically jusy say that. They have no answers other than "not what we are currently doing." That is why so many people look at the Dems as the party of no ideas. Of course just as many people look at the Reps as the party of bad ideas. Which is worse? I don't know. But years of doing nothing about Muslim extremists didn't do the job. It is time the Dems started saying what we should be doing to combat terrorism in general.

When people like John Edwards deny that there is even a war against terrorism it just shows have naive they are.
count me as one of those naive people. how the hell can you fight a war, when you really have no idea WHO the enemy is? time for us to pack our bags, and see how bad Iraq really wants a democracy. let them work for it, not have us there babysitting. and i always get a kick out of people that say democrats have no plan. can one person please tell what Geo. Bush's plan consists of? removing Hussein, and then what?
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Dmek,

I agree that Bush lacked a realistic post-Saddam Iraq plan, but I definately agree that the Dems have no plan either. And, I don't think that you can justify the Dems' lack of a plan by referencing Bush's lack of a plan. I've got to admit, as much as I disdain Bush's politics, I disdain the Dems as much. I think FRPLG is right in that the Dems keep criticizing Bush (which is easy and scores a lot of points with the public), but none of them, when pressed, can articulate what they would do differently. Sometimes they speak in platitudes to avoid being held to those statements, but none of them offer anything of substance. IMHO, if you can't offer an alternative, you should probably be quiet. I strongly disagree with those who are calling for an immediate withdrawal, but I can at least respect them for presenting Plan B.
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I agree that Bush lacked a realistic post-Saddam Iraq plan, but I definately agree that the Dems have no plan either. And, I don't think that you can justify the Dems' lack of a plan by referencing Bush's lack of a plan. I've got to admit, as much as I disdain Bush's politics, I disdain the Dems as much. I think FRPLG is right in that the Dems keep criticizing Bush (which is easy and scores a lot of points with the public), but none of them, when pressed, can articulate what they would do differently. Sometimes they speak in platitudes to avoid being held to those statements, but none of them offer anything of substance. IMHO, if you can't offer an alternative, you should probably be quiet. I strongly disagree with those who are calling for an immediate withdrawal, but I can at least respect them for presenting Plan B.
Well, it's not like the Dems are the only ones critizing Bush. His own party has had harsh critism of both invading and exiting Iraq.The fact of the matter is each day that goes on makes an exit strategy much more complicated. There are bad options and worse options at this point.
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count me as one of those naive people. how the hell can you fight a war, when you really have no idea WHO the enemy is? time for us to pack our bags, and see how bad Iraq really wants a democracy. let them work for it, not have us there babysitting. and i always get a kick out of people that say democrats have no plan. can one person please tell what Geo. Bush's plan consists of? removing Hussein, and then what?
Well, before this war started, Bush warned us it would take a LONG time to complete. He was right. We will leave when we are at an acceptable level of terrorism. We can not irradicate terrorism 100%, it's impossible, but when there are still many attacks, clearly the job is not yet done and therefore we should not pull out. Otherwise the lives we lost would be in vain, and a disgrace to each family. No point in starting something you can't finish, but we (especially Dems) are a group of quitters. It's the American way.

Why do we as Americans think we know everything? I have no freakin clue what is REALLY going on with this war, and neither do you because the powers that be have no intentions of telling us what is truely going on. Why would they? 1 person is intelligent, but put 300 million people together, and we are collectively dumb sheep. Dumb sheep panic. We give great advice sitting in our nice AC houses and comfy sofas and only knowing half of the story at best...it another story in what is ACTUALLY going on.
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Well, before this war started, Bush warned us it would take a LONG time to complete. He was right. We will leave when we are at an acceptable level of terrorism. We can not irradicate terrorism 100%, it's impossible, but when there are still many attacks, clearly the job is not yet done and therefore we should not pull out. Otherwise the lives we lost would be in vain, and a disgrace to each family. No point in starting something you can't finish, but we (especially Dems) are a group of quitters. It's the American way.

Why do we as Americans think we know everything? I have no freakin clue what is REALLY going on with this war, and neither do you because the powers that be have no intentions of telling us what is truely going on. Why would they? 1 person is intelligent, but put 300 million people together, and we are collectively dumb sheep. Dumb sheep panic. We give great advice sitting in our nice AC houses and comfy sofas and only knowing half of the story at best...it another story in what is ACTUALLY going on.

Let me get this, the public is too stupid to get the big picture so it might be best for the government to pretend it doesn't exist? Hmm, perhaps the government should educate the public? Naaah, an educated public is dangerous because it won't fall for bullshit easily. Keep the people fat, dumb, and lazy I say.
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Let me get this, the public is too stupid to get the big picture so it might be best for the government to pretend it doesn't exist? Hmm, perhaps the government should educate the public? Naaah, an educated public is dangerous because it won't fall for bullshit easily. Keep the people fat, dumb, and lazy I say.
Wow, you have a lot of confidence in the general public. Again, 1 person is smart, 300 million are collectively stupid.

ps- the government has ALWAYS kept information from the general public...you expect them to start all of sudden telling you stuff now? We are on a need to know basis at best. That's not going to change.
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Old 06-04-2007, 04:16 PM   #194
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That's politics.

This type of reasoning seems to assume the Democrats all had a big meeting somewhere and decided they would espouse opposing views despite their negavtive effects. I am sorry but I don't believe that. I think there are politicians in Washington DC, both Dem and Rep, who are there just for power and will do anything to keep it. But I don't any entire party of people is made up of these people. Dems, I feel, honestly believe their views are right. Just like Republicans. My guess as to why the Dems "seem" to have no ideas is that the Reps ideas are often so black and white and built on logic(faulty or not) and the Dems views are built largely on emotions. Sometimes it hard to argue on emotion. Even if it is sometimes right. That isn't probably stated very well but I don't feel like spending 20 minutes writing a more complete response. Essentially I think you are wrong. Dems aren't the evil opposite decrying the conservative ways for no benefit other than their own. They simply disgaree and seem to have no solid ideas. At least on terrorism.
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And, might I add, it is this kind of attitude that creates an "us versus them" mentality that stiffles discussion and leads us no where.

At the end of the day people need to realize that, guess what, on some issues Dems are more right than Reps and vice versa. That is why compromise is so important. That is why discussion is so important. Without true debate and hasing out of issues all we get is one sided simple solutions to complex problems. Maybe if polticiams got back on the same page that would end. The same page is that of doing what is right for EVERYONE. Not just the poor people, and not just the rich.
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