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Old 06-27-2007, 12:08 PM   #16
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Re: Virginia Laws: Stiff Fines added July 1st

Use your turn signals, don't cut across parking lots, and you'll be fine. I honestly don't see what the big deal is, unless you're a bad driver who doesn't follow the rules of the road and use common sense.
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Old 06-27-2007, 12:20 PM   #17
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Re: Virginia Laws: Stiff Fines added July 1st

I agree the fines are high, but the $1000 penalty only usually attaches in cases where the violator is a felon or the action in question leads is the proximate cause of someone's death (you cross a parking lot illegally and run over granny). In most cases they are $300 or $350 fines, which are still high, but not nearly as nasty as $1000.

I haven't read the law, but hopefully it includes channeling provisions for the revenue created so that a good portion has to come north to fund the projects we desperately need. As painful as a fine like this is, I prefer it to an across the board tax increase.
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Old 06-27-2007, 12:28 PM   #18
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In Va. its not reckless driving for failing to use a turn sig. If you went to court the judge should have throwing it out as its minor violation of not using a turn sig.
Actually, I think it is considered reckless driving but only as a way of categorizing the offense. Reckless driving has a pretty broad defintion.
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Re: Virginia Laws: Stiff Fines added July 1st

ok, but read and you see that $300 or $350 is an annual fee. So it's $1,050 for a traffic ticket on top of the ticket.
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Yea these Civil fines are gonna be fine in my book, maybe some of these fools out here will lose there PRIVLEDGE TO DRIVE.

AND PUT THE HAMMER ON THE DRUNKS....NO PROBLEM!
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Well, I'm a good driver who has not had a ticket in 20 years I bet but I still see this as an unfair House Bill.
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Yea these Civil fines are gonna be fine in my book, maybe some of these fools out here will lose there PRIVLEDGE TO DRIVE.

AND PUT THE HAMMER ON THE DRUNKS....NO PROBLEM!
That's how I see it. Not affecting just the poor but the insanely stupid. I see it as a good way to get some of these kids licenses away that demonstrate daily that they have no business driving while my wife and child are on the same roads. Can't pay the fine? Oh well, looks like your parents will.

Hmm...now may be a good time to become a defense lawyer specializing in traffic offenses.
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So if your poor its ok to drive a dangerous car on the roads and to top it off speed and drive bad?
You never heard me say that or can quote me so don't try and put words in my mouth.
These fines are wrong for everyone. My point could be taken to say the cops won't be sitting at the luxury mall paking lots but at Walmarts and strip malls where more folks of lower income tend to be.

The fact is you will be punished TWICE. You pay the regular Ticket fine and for 3 more years you mail them additional fine money just to raise tax money THEY WASTE LIKE IT'S FREE Money already. Spend what you are jacking me in the arse with properly and you won't need more money.

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Actually, I think it is considered reckless driving but only as a way of categorizing the offense. Reckless driving has a pretty broad defintion.
My aunt got reckless driving for backing up into a car in a parking lot. It wasn't a normal parking lot (not rows and rows of parking). I guess it is a U shaped parking lot with the open space in the U being pretty big. So she is on the sides and backed out and hit a car that was coming into the parking lot. She backed up like 15 feet so they called it reckless driving.
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You never heard me say that or can quote me so don't try and put words in my mouth.
These fines are wrong for everyone. My point could be taken to say the cops won't be sitting at the luxury mall paking lots but at Walmarts and strip malls where more folks of lower income tend to be.

The fact is you will be punished TWICE. You pay the regular Ticket fine and for 3 more years you mail them additional fine money just to raise tax money THEY WASTE LIKE IT'S FREE Money already. Spend what you are jacking me in the arse with properly and you won't need more money.

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See, the problem should not be how to pay for MORE government. Let's CUT Gov't spending, and then we do not need greater fines at all. I can then traverse the sacred parking space lines at will!
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See, the problem should not be how to pay for MORE government. Let's CUT Gov't spending, and then we do not need greater fines at all. I can then traverse the sacred parking space lines at will!

Hog1 For President!!!!!!!

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Virginia has always been TOUGH on traffic laws
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Just an observation.
I grew up in the DC area. Going back to the seventies, VA outlawed the use of radar detectors. It was basically unheard of at the time
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My problem with this law is the inability for it to be enforced in any consistent way. The discretion granted police is so wide as to when to enforce the law or levy the BIG fines that it becomes whimsical. Just reading through the list it seemed that the police can ding you for just about any minor infraction and turn it into a major expense. I'm all about law and order BUT I am also about fairness. The inherent inability for consistent application seems to me to be abhorent.

"Just obey the law and you'll be fine". Fair enough, but look through the list - cop's had a bad day, needs a big ticket to meet quota, stops you for
1) "bald tires";
2) cutting the corner in a grocery store lot (not cutting through, just shaving teh corner at the end of an aisle) or,
3) sin upon sin, you simply were so busy looking for your turn that it came on you with little or no time to signal and, instead of driving down the street signaling for a turn, making a legal U-turn and circling back so you can legally make the turn - you do a quick take and see nobody behind and make the quick right turn before you drive past it.

The cop cites you for BIG fines. As he is writing your ticket - three cars zip past driving recklessly and no fines ensue.

No, this does not excuse illegal acts BUT it does go to fairness and common sense. I have a problem with laws drafted for the main goal being the creation of revenue for the State and doing so in a manner that grants agents of the State to do so in an inconsistent manner and one that invites abuse.
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Use your turn signals, don't cut across parking lots, and you'll be fine. I honestly don't see what the big deal is, unless you're a bad driver who doesn't follow the rules of the road and use common sense.
Common, seriously? Cutting across parking lots? Who really cares...I mean if you really want to pull someone over for driving in compleltey open space, than fine....but A THOUSAND DOLLARS????

People on this board cant tell me they dont make turns occasionally without using their signals...I'm not saying they do that everytime, but common we have to be realistic. I actually agree with SBF here (for once), this is rediculous. Why not jack up the fines for the idiots who go 80 in a 55 or do some REAL bad driving...cutting across a parking lot???? A PARKING LOT!?

And my other problem with this is their reasoning behind it...you are going to fine someone 1000 extra dollars to help raise money for the state? Thats the best you can come up with? If you want to raise the penalties a tad, maybe 50, hell even 100 dollars, than do what you have to do....but that is beyond rediculous, imo.
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