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Old 06-27-2007, 05:01 PM   #31
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Re: Virginia Laws: Stiff Fines added July 1st

Fine OUT of State folks worse would be better.
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Old 06-27-2007, 05:04 PM   #32
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I'm with JoeRedskin 100%. I got treated like a second hand citizen one day because of an illegal U-Turn. We were forced out of the car, asked to search the car (to which we denied), and there were 8 cop cars that showed up with spotlights. My problem isn't the illegal U-turn I made, I'm fine with that. I made a mistake, didn't see the sign, but I did break the law. It's the fact that he had a bad day and because we were all low 20s figured we were doing something illegal. While we were sitting there, five cars made the exact same U-turn, yet that "has nothing to do with you."

Give cops LESS power, not more. Make the laws black and white, most of them aren't bright enough to make decisions.

My very favorite is the cops telling me as I was getting fingerprinted for underage possession of alcohol that had I not been caught with a black dude and a hispanic dude charges would have never been booked. Hurray for racism.
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Old 06-27-2007, 05:08 PM   #33
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I'll admit. I sort of have a weird fear of parking lots. One time I was T-Boned by someone cutting across a parking lot and smashing right into the side of my car. Another time someone swerved to avoid another car that was cutting across the parking lot and hit my parked car as I was walking back to it. Still another time, someone was cutting across the parking lot and hit my cousin (not my cousin's car, my actual cousin). Thankfully it wasn't serious.

As for using turn signals, it's a pet peeve of mine. But doesn't irk me quite as much as cutting across a parking lot
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Old 06-27-2007, 05:12 PM   #34
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Well, how will cutting across a parking lot be enforced? If in the way you make it out, I'm fine with it? Someone that clips a wide open spot? Pulling through to the open spot on the other end?
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Old 06-27-2007, 05:38 PM   #35
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I'll admit. I sort of have a weird fear of parking lots. One time I was T-Boned by someone cutting across a parking lot and smashing right into the side of my car. Another time someone swerved to avoid another car that was cutting across the parking lot and hit my parked car as I was walking back to it. Still another time, someone was cutting across the parking lot and hit my cousin (not my cousin's car, my actual cousin). Thankfully it wasn't serious.
I don't blame you, I'm not a big fan myself with the way people race through like it's the Indy 500. There's this guy I work with that absolutely flies through our parking lot, it's ridiculous.

When I worked at Progressive I used to see so many claims involving parking lot accidents, pedestrians getting hit in parking lots, etc. It's more common than I think people realize.
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Old 06-27-2007, 06:41 PM   #36
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Re: Virginia Laws: Stiff Fines added July 1st

No one should be surprised to hear that the legislator behind this is a lawyer specializing in traffic cases.
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Old 06-27-2007, 07:41 PM   #37
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It shouldnt matter for good drivers but the fines are excessive. I can't wait to see the reaction by citizens in a couple months when they all start getting decked 1k for driving across a parking lot.
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Old 06-27-2007, 07:59 PM   #38
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whats the big deal with following the rules? there is nothing more that pisses me off, then changing lanes, pr turning, without signaling
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Old 06-27-2007, 08:05 PM   #39
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I think my issue with all this goes to the "cruel and unusual[ly]" punative nature of this.
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I know a lot of people are saying to just be better drivers. Be BETTER drivers or PERFECT drivers? I have a hard time believing that EVERY TIME everyone uses a signal light or NEVER pulls through a parking lot. The law is bullshit because, just like Daseal, there will be the one person who makes a mistake and then truly pays for it. They could charge a million dollars and people would still make mistakes. We're not robots.
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I know a lot of people are saying to just be better drivers. Be BETTER drivers or PERFECT drivers? I have a hard time believing that EVERY TIME everyone uses a signal light or NEVER pulls through a parking lot. The law is bullshit because, just like Daseal, there will be the one person who makes a mistake and then truly pays for it. They could charge a million dollars and people would still make mistakes. We're not robots.

Yea, and those mistakes will be costly. It might get a few more folks to think about what the hell they are actually suposed to be doing behind the wheel.

Instead of everything they shouldn't be doing?
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The shitty drivers aren't going to be less shitty because the fines are higher.
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It's really just punishing the otherwise good drivers who just make a mistake now and then.
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Re: Virginia Laws: Stiff Fines added July 1st

And, as Daseal's incident points out, the law creates an invitation to arbitrarily enforce the laws -

"I was gonna bang you with the big fine but now that I see you're [older, a hot woman, hot guy, not a young male, white, etc], I won't."

While I don't have the studies to back it up, I would bet that the arbitrary enforcement of excessive fines does not create a greater likelihood of compliance.
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Old 06-28-2007, 02:12 PM   #45
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Wow, $1,000 for crossing across a parking lot or for failure to use turn signals.

Hey...those things really GRIND MY GEARS, so I'm fine with it.

Let's add: If you're not using headlights at twilight or in the rain...doubled if you have a grey/silver car that matches the road...and tailgaters.
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