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Old 10-18-2007, 02:18 PM   #46
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Old 10-18-2007, 02:26 PM   #47
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That's a super lame excuse.

If you have time to go to these places and order, you have the time to pack a healthy lunch, and it's a heck of a lot cheaper to brown bag it.

Let's not sugar coat things, people are unhealthy eaters because they choose to be.
Well, no, I think you're misunderstanding me. No matter what the case, people are unhealthy because of THEIR CHOICES. That's obvious. All I'm saying is if the Government wants to do something to "help" don't tax people more. It's not going to lessen the burden on ANYONE. All it's going to do is make someone's pockets fatter. So if you are truly interested in helping people make changes (they are not, but go with me) then you need to help where there are big issues. Such as people not having the time for a good home cooked meal, so they settle for whatever they can get. Eating healthy takes a back seat to work.

For the record, I am for the Government having as little to do with invasion on my life as possible. If I am going to smoke, so be it, if I am going to over eat, so be it. All I was trying to do was offer up another solution. Taxing doesn't do a thing.
We have a massive issue in this country with teenage pregnancy and unwed pregnancy and the majority will eventually get on WIC, or some sort of government assistance. So what's next? Require all the women to have an IUD put in???
I'd rather the government tell me I need to work less for the same pay. That would send a shock wave of caring to the country. (not gonna happen, but just saying)
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Old 10-18-2007, 02:36 PM   #48
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Well, no, I think you're misunderstanding me. No matter what the case, people are unhealthy because of THEIR CHOICES. That's obvious. All I'm saying is if the Government wants to do something to "help" don't tax people more. It's not going to lessen the burden on ANYONE. All it's going to do is make someone's pockets fatter. So if you are truly interested in helping people make changes (they are not, but go with me) then you need to help where there are big issues. Such as people not having the time for a good home cooked meal, so they settle for whatever they can get. Eating healthy takes a back seat to work.

For the record, I am for the Government having as little to do with invasion on my life as possible. If I am going to smoke, so be it, if I am going to over eat, so be it. All I was trying to do was offer up another solution. Taxing doesn't do a thing.
We have a massive issue in this country with teenage pregnancy and unwed pregnancy and the majority will eventually get on WIC, or some sort of government assistance. So what's next? Require all the women to have an IUD put in???
I'd rather the government tell me I need to work less for the same pay. That would send a shock wave of caring to the country. (not gonna happen, but just saying)
I guess I am misunderstanding you because I was responding to this:

A lot of unhealthy eaters and people are unhealthy because they have very little time to sit down and eat healthy...they are always working.

I just don't see where that holds any water.
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Old 10-18-2007, 03:03 PM   #49
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I guess I am misunderstanding you because I was responding to this:

A lot of unhealthy eaters and people are unhealthy because they have very little time to sit down and eat healthy...they are always working.

I just don't see where that holds any water.
That came from other comments. Maybe I wasn't clear enough. But hopefully you understand what I'm saying after that last post.

Again, no matter what, it's ALWAYS the responsibility of the person. But you're talking out of both sides of your mouth. On one hand you say it's the person's responsibility to make a lunch, on the other you're all for taxing to stop the over eating / poor eating habits.
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I'm not sure either way, but is there any proof to this? A massive heart attack is pretty cheap when the ambulance arrives and the guy is dead.
On the flip side, those that live longer and get other issues such as memory problems (can't spell alz....), do suck off the government. We're paying medicare and social security, as well as supporting nursing homes...not to mention the MASSIVE amount of elderly people that are taking 10 or more meds a DAY.
I am just not sure either way is more expensive than the other...any one have stats on this?
yeah, we would definitely have to see some numbers but i think in general a fat person does eat (no pun) at the economy more than a healthy person. Fatty foods lead to diabetes and many other health related problems before a massive heart attack that finishes it.

However, i don't have too much of a problem with taxing fatty foods. It leads to greater production of healthier foods by companies. Now it is a personal judgment call on what you think about that.
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That came from other comments. Maybe I wasn't clear enough. But hopefully you understand what I'm saying after that last post.

Again, no matter what, it's ALWAYS the responsibility of the person. But you're talking out of both sides of your mouth. On one hand you say it's the person's responsibility to make a lunch, on the other you're all for taxing to stop the over eating / poor eating habits.
I think you're getting a little ahead of things here. I was merely saying that being too busy isn't a legit excuse for eating poorly.

Regarding taxing fast food, I really don't think it would curtail poor eating habits either. In a perfect world though we would use that tax money to go to progams to promote healthier eating and exercise, but I'm well aware with our gov't that's unlikely to happen since they never seem to be able to properly distribute funds to where they need to go unless it's war related.

My approval of a fast food tax is not tied into a belief that it would curtail poor eating habits.

I honestly don't care if they tax fast food since I very rarely eat it. I just don't have a problem with it if they do choose to tax it.
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I think you're getting a little ahead of things here. I was merely saying that being too busy isn't a legit excuse for eating poorly.

Regarding taxing fast food, I really don't think it would curtail poor eating habits either. In a perfect world though we would use that tax money to go to progams to promote healthier eating and exercise, but I'm well aware with our gov't that's unlikely to happen since they never seem to be able to properly distribute funds to where they need to go unless it's war related.

My approval of a fast food tax is not tied into a belief that it would curtail poor eating habits.

I honestly don't care if they tax fast food since I very rarely eat it. I just don't have a problem with it if they do choose to tax it.
To be honest, I am all for the tax, IF (and that's a massive if) they can actually use the money for a healthier life. I just know they won't. It's just their way of getting more money and using a poor excuse to do it.

I do still think it's a slippery slope. What's next...tax salt? That causes high blood pressure and is in just about everything you eat. Shit, it's the most abundant extracellular substance in your body.
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If salt intake was becoming a national epidemic like obesity is, then hell why not, tax that too.
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If salt intake was becoming a national epidemic like obesity is, then hell why not, tax that too.
Agreed.

Jsarno, it's fine that if you want to smoke, you should be able to smoke. If you want to eat big macs and milkshakes for breakfast lunch and dinner, you should be able to.

But while you're doing that, is it fair for me to pay the same amount towards Medicare as you?

While you're doing whatever you want, exercising whatever freedoms you want, I'm paying for Medicare that you'll probably use twice as much as I will. That's the REAL unfair part in all of this. What people fail to realize is that their health choices do actually financially impact the rest of us. That's the very nature of a risk pool. So doing whatever you want and damn the consequences is actually a pretty selfish way to behave.
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Agreed.

Jsarno, it's fine that if you want to smoke, you should be able to smoke. If you want to eat big macs and milkshakes for breakfast lunch and dinner, you should be able to.

But while you're doing that, is it fair for me to pay the same amount towards Medicare as you?

While you're doing whatever you want, exercising whatever freedoms you want, I'm paying for Medicare that you'll probably use twice as much as I will. That's the REAL unfair part in all of this. What people fail to realize is that their health choices do actually financially impact the rest of us. That's the very nature of a risk pool. So doing whatever you want and damn the consequences is actually a pretty selfish way to behave.
Well, I hope that is rhetorical, because I do not smoke, nor drink, nor do I like fast food places.
By taxing a burger won't change what you and I are already paying. In fact, it won't do a thing...that's the point. It's just another way to tax everyone and it in no way will reduce the tax burden on the every day tax payer.
The people that do smoke and eat horrible foods already pay high premiums for insurances such as life insurance and medical insurance that require physicals.
So while I see your point, and frankly, I agree with most of it about the unfair part, this is in no way a solution to change things.
If you can guarentee me the tax will go to something useful, or reduce the tax burden on the hard working american, I'll go for it. But this is just another way for the government to steal money from the hard working man. I hope no one is nieve enough to think this is about anything but money. If we allow this to take place, then they will think they have a free ride to tax whatever they want. Like I said, it's a slippery slope.
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