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Old 10-17-2007, 08:11 PM   #16
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i cant believe I'm talking to educated people that really think our health care system is fine. the kinds of things that our politicians should be doing, like trying to fix this mess, they avoid like the plague. but steroids in baseball, now that's something important to capital hill. what a joke. people are always screaming on the democrats for not having any ideas. but when someone like Hillary Clinton proposes a new health care idea,its basically shot down without any real discussion
I am on board with you here. Not Hillary's plan but the fact that our politicians are worried more about things that don't affect us is what pisses me off. Our health care system is broke for a variety of reasons. Mostly due to the meddling and stupidity of politicians who were too dumb to understand what they were doing at the time. Now, today, we have politicians who are too lazy or too worried about poll numbers to do anything about anything that matters. Healthcare being one of the big ones.
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Old 10-18-2007, 01:12 AM   #17
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and jsarno, nice try. but i thought you would be above posting propaganda around here. nothing like the facts, huh?
If a friend of your sent you an e-mail, wouldn't you trust the person thinking it was ACTUALLY FROM THEM?
I still haven't gotten an e-mail back about this. I'm still pretty pissed about it. Made me look like an idiot. I guess you can't trust anyone.
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Old 10-18-2007, 08:21 AM   #18
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LOL this reminds me of a situation I had in a company I used to work for.

One day we got this company wide email from a higher up exec, warning us of gas stations where people hid needles infected with AIDS on the pump handles and people were getting pricked and getting infected.

LOL we knew right away that this person had fell for one of those email forwards, except it was pretty bad that he sent it to the entire company across the NATION!! A few minutes later he sent an apology saying he didn't realize it was one of those urban legend email forwards. And this was a company that had a pretty tight email policy, I'm sure he caught some hell for it.

It still cracks me up to this day!
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Old 10-18-2007, 08:35 AM   #19
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I have no idea about the email so my only comment will be this.

We already pay enough taxes that it should cover a National Health Care System. I don't claim to have the answer I just know what the goal is and that should be a start. Don't raise my taxes and quit wasting it on Bridges in yer names and monuments and crap and cover everyone with a good Health Care System. I "think" most would aggree with that.

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Old 10-18-2007, 09:04 AM   #20
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I got that email as well.
A friend of mine (who I forwarded it to) recently married a woman from Quebec. According to him, she completely disputes this, saying the healthcare system is quite good.
I don't personally know
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Old 10-18-2007, 09:46 AM   #21
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[QUOTE=jsarno;365779] I will have new healthcare in 1 month though due to a new full time job. [QUOTE]

Congratulations on that. I hope it was what you were looking for. I know you were pretty stressed in that situation.
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Old 10-18-2007, 03:19 PM   #22
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[QUOTE=BleedBurgundy;365986][QUOTE=jsarno;365779] I will have new healthcare in 1 month though due to a new full time job.
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Congratulations on that. I hope it was what you were looking for. I know you were pretty stressed in that situation.
Yeah, it will be a great position for me. A lot less stress, good benefits, and no one above me, it's my store 100%. My Boss lives and works in another state, and he's cool as anything. (younger than me actually which is a first for me) I am actually kissing his ass a little because he went to bat for me for more money from the start which he didn't have to do. I know Tom and Mike Glavine (I went to High school with Tom's brother Mike) and my new boss is a HUGE braves fan and loves Glavine, so I got them to send me an autographed baseball of Tom's. My new boss has no idea it's coming, he'll be pleasantly surprised.
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Old 10-18-2007, 03:20 PM   #23
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I have no idea about the email so my only comment will be this.

We already pay enough taxes that it should cover a National Health Care System. I don't claim to have the answer I just know what the goal is and that should be a start. Don't raise my taxes and quit wasting it on Bridges in yer names and monuments and crap and cover everyone with a good Health Care System. I "think" most would aggree with that.

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Old 10-18-2007, 03:26 PM   #24
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I did get a response from my friend,

Hi Joel,
I’m sorry to upset you with that e-mail, but I want you to know that I sent it because for the most part, I agree with it. A lot of people think we have excellent healthcare up here and it’s really horrible. Sick people will pay American doctors to do their surgeries so they won’t die waiting for the healthcare system to get around to them. This happens more than people think.
Again, I am sorry. I know you hate forwarded e-mails, and you would not have even opened it had it been a forward.
I hope you’re not really that upset at me, you’re a good friend, and I love and miss you.
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Old 10-18-2007, 03:34 PM   #25
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Now no system is perfect. It is important to take the good from many systems and make it an american system. I am fine with allowing people to choose private healthcare with some sort of tax break.

The problem is, health care is something that a government should supply to its people. As hard it is to achieve, in my mind it is as simple as that. We don't worry about paying the fire department and the police. This is part of our safety and it should be covered.

Taxes may be higher but this is a basic service that a government should be providing. It seems all major industrialized countries, except for america, have been able to understand that
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Old 10-22-2007, 12:33 PM   #26
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Why then stop with health ins. How about food, water, jobs, etc.. Why is health ins a right?
Well a government should not only provide order but also keep the people safe. I think letting poor people get sick because they can't afford treatment is pretty shitty of a government. Its not only about the poor people who don't have insurance but those that get screwed by the messed up system this country has. Now obviously a public healthcare system will be much less efficient, especially at the beginning, so i have no problem allowing people get private healthcare and getting a tax break for it.

Also i think food is ok to give to people who are unable to afford it, the food stamps aren't that great anyways. People who are unemployed and part of the labor force should be helped in finding jobs. And yeah, i do think water is a something a government should offer to those that can't afford it to live. But i understand your point but it is a case by case basis. The ability to receive treatment for a sickness is something that should available to all people in this country. Life is an inherent right for all people and it should be equal for all, rich or poor. SOmeone who is rich has no more of a God given, or society given right to live moreso than someone who is poor. Now obviously people with money will always be treated better.
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Old 10-22-2007, 01:03 PM   #27
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Well a government should not only provide order but also keep the people safe. I think letting poor people get sick because they can't afford treatment is pretty shitty of a government. Its not only about the poor people who don't have insurance but those that get screwed by the messed up system this country has. Now obviously a public healthcare system will be much less efficient, especially at the beginning, so i have no problem allowing people get private healthcare and getting a tax break for it.

Also i think food is ok to give to people who are unable to afford it, the food stamps aren't that great anyways. People who are unemployed and part of the labor force should be helped in finding jobs. And yeah, i do think water is a something a government should offer to those that can't afford it to live. But i understand your point but it is a case by case basis. The ability to receive treatment for a sickness is something that should available to all people in this country. Life is an inherent right for all people and it should be equal for all, rich or poor. SOmeone who is rich has no more of a God given, or society given right to live moreso than someone who is poor. Now obviously people with money will always be treated better.
Everybody has the right not to be killed. But living healthy is a privelege, not a right. I don't see that shit in the Constitution. Nobody has the right to live a healthy life, that's the part that YOU have to make happen.

And that includes making sure you graduate from high school and get a job that has a modicum of health insurance benefits.

All kids born into a poor/middle class family should get covered by the government. But if you've made it to adulthood and you still can't afford health insurance, that's your fault.
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Old 10-22-2007, 02:32 PM   #28
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Perhaps it's just the hippy in me but I just think it's sad in this day and age where we could easily support those that are less fortunate with basic healthcare that we turn our backs on them and have this attitude of "You don't deserve it because you didn't earn it".

Sure there are some slackers out there, but there are also some really hard working people that are in difficult situations that they can't dig out of.

It's too easy to say go to college, get a degree and everything will be ok. If only it were that easy.

Our priorities are really F'd up when we can't provide universal healthcare but we sure can find the money to bomb the shit out of other countries.
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Old 10-22-2007, 03:05 PM   #29
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I think we should demand an accounting from the Fed!
I am quite sure there is plenty of loot being stolen, funneled, absconded with, liberated, etc to support ANY legit programs that we need.
Yes that's it............
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Perhaps it's just the hippy in me but I just think it's sad in this day and age where we could easily support those that are less fortunate with basic healthcare that we turn our backs on them and have this attitude of "You don't deserve it because you didn't earn it".

Sure there are some slackers out there, but there are also some really hard working people that are in difficult situations that they can't dig out of.

It's too easy to say go to college, get a degree and everything will be ok. If only it were that easy.

Our priorities are really F'd up when we can't provide universal healthcare but we sure can find the money to bomb the shit out of other countries.
That doesn't answer the fundamental question. Why is healthcare a right?

I've never heard someone come up with a logical answer. The only response is emotional in nature; something along the lines of because in this day in age, we just should. It's just wrong not to.

If that's the way people feel, let me ask you this: is it fair for us Americans to provide universal healthcare, in which some of you may be the recipient of hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of chemotherapy or surgical care, while people in Africa are starving to death? Isn't food a more immediate need than healthcare? Without food, you die in weeks. Why are we more deserving of healthcare than they're deserving of food? Because we're Americans??

No. None of it is a right. It's all a privelege. It's a privelege to live in the United States of America, where you have ample opportunity to earn enough money to put a roof over your head, give you clean drinking water, pay for your food, and pay for your healthcare. Do it your damn self, and stop whining about having it tough.

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