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Old 02-08-2008, 03:05 PM   #46
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Re: Merged Thread: Romney Drops Out; Can McCain Defeat Democrats?

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William Jefferson is a Dem but is that him in the picture?
He's also very corrupt and is in legal trouble. I don't see an issue in that photo if it's him.
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Old 02-08-2008, 03:09 PM   #47
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Fox News is biased to the opposite views that the rest of the media's bias.

So you admit that most other news sources are biased towards and endorse Democrats? ONE news outlet supports Republicans and you are so offended? The score is thousands-1 in favor of Dems and you think that a single news source showing the other side is horrible?

Sounds like something Stalin would say. "Hear me or hear nothing!"
I don't care for the mainstream media's left-leaning views and coverage. But, seeing as how Fox takes things to extremes, I find them comical. Do you admit that Fox leans right?

As for the score being "thousands-1" in favor of Dems, I don't think that's quite true. Talk radio is dominated by conservatives. Print media is dominated by center-lefties. Most networks are slightly left of center, but Fox is far right of center. In my view, it's pretty much a wash.

Finally, I never said I was offended by Fox News. I am not, but it seems like you are offended by criticism of Fox News. Nor am I offended by the left-of-center press. I prefer truly "fair and balanced" reporting, which is why I generally look to PBS, the BBC, and others for my news. I still watch some CNN and Fox News and read the NYT and WP, but I take everything they say with a big fat grain of salt.

PS - We should probably start a new thread if we are going to continue this discussion.
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Old 02-08-2008, 03:27 PM   #48
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Re: Merged Thread: Romney Drops Out; Can McCain Defeat Democrats?

I'm starting a new thread about media bias. Please redirect your comments there.
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Old 02-08-2008, 03:50 PM   #49
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He's also very corrupt and is in legal trouble. I don't see an issue in that photo if it's him.
The problem is it's not him, it's John Conyer and it was during the Gonzales hearings.
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Old 02-08-2008, 04:56 PM   #50
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Re: Merged Thread: Romney Drops Out; Can McCain Defeat Democrats?

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Buster,

I don't think anyone is claiming other news agencies don't make mistakes or that they are totally unbiased. In my opinion, most major networks and newspapers are center-left (e.g., biased in favor of Dems). For example, nearly all mainstream newspapers endorse Dems during Presidential races.
HOWEVER, Fox News is far and away more biased than the "mainstream media." Fox News' support of the right is far more extreme than the mainstream media's support of the left.
That seems like a rather silly statement to make since it's virtually impossible to quantify.

I liked Fox News when it first came out, but over the past two years I've come to realize every major news network out there is pushing nothing but propaganda.

I had a few friends who were on a SWAT team that went to New Orleans during Katrina and several friends who served in Iraq. In other words, I've heard first-hand stories from guys who have been at the center of some of the major news stories in recent years, and to a man they tell me that almost everything on the major news networks is crap.

At best it's full of gross factual errors, at worst they're flat out lying and know damn well what they're doing.

CNN, Fox, NBC, ABC, whoever, it's a giant steaming crock of propaganda.

Bottom line: if watching CNN makes you feel better because they may lie a 95 times out of a 100 when Fox lies 96 times out of a 100, then I guess that's your choice. Personally I don't waste my time with network news any more.

My advice: do your own research and take everything with a grain of salt.
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Old 02-08-2008, 05:53 PM   #51
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That seems like a rather silly statement to make since it's virtually impossible to quantify.
I think it's perfectly reasonable for me to believe that Fox is more biased in its reporting than the other networks.
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I think it's perfectly reasonable for me to believe that Fox is more biased in its reporting than the other networks.
I definitely agree with you there, but the original statement wasn't phrased to lead the reader that is was an opinion or belief, but that it was a statement of fact
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Old 02-09-2008, 09:49 AM   #53
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I think the "right" misunderstands the nature of news. This is specifically regarding the reporting of violence in Iraq. The right will say, they're not telling us the good things that are happening in Iraq.

If a plane takes off in Chicago and safely lands in New York -- that's not going to make the news. If it crashes, then it's going to be on the front page. Now, is that mainstream media bias when they don't tell us about safe landings? Generally speaking, "good things" that happen isn't news.

Listening to Rush Limbaugh compain about the "drive by media" is like listening to someone complain that the sky is blue. It's just the way it is (to quote Cronkite).

Deal with it.
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Old 02-09-2008, 11:45 AM   #54
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What issues do you feel he hasn't addressed or talked about? You can't make a blanket statement like that and if you are back it up or include all the other candidates cause they fair no better.

I do agree that he talks pretty which is why he is getting a lot of support but I don't think that's all there is to him.

I'm not the only one. Joe Klein, who is no conservative writes:

[T]here was something just a wee bit creepy about the mass messianism "We are the ones we've been waiting for" of the Super Tuesday speech and the recent turn of the Obama campaign. "This time can be different because this campaign for the presidency of the United States of America is different. It's different not because of me. It's different because of you." That is not just maddeningly vague but also disingenuous: the campaign is entirely about Obama and his ability to inspire. Rather than focusing on any specific issue or cause other than an amorphous desire for change the message is becoming dangerously self-referential. The Obama campaign all too often is about how wonderful the Obama campaign is...There is an odd, anachronistic formality to Obama's stump speech: it is always the same. It sets his audiences afire, but it does not reach very far beyond them. It is no accident that Obama is nearly invincible in caucus states, where the ability to mobilize a hard core of activists is key but not so strong in primaries, where more diverse masses of people are involved. He should be very worried that this nomination is likely to be decided in the big working-class primary states of Ohio, Texas and Pennsylvania.
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Old 02-09-2008, 11:51 AM   #55
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He's also very corrupt and is in legal trouble. I don't see an issue in that photo if it's him.
The photo was of John Conyers, not William Jefferson.

Fox is Conservative, but I'm not convinced that it's more Conservative than MSNBC or The New York Times are Liberal. Bias always seems more severe when your own ox is being gored. That's why so many on the left are horrified by Fox and convinced that the others are pillars of objectivity, which of course they're not. Bill Moyers had a special on PBSthe basic theme of which could be summarized as "Things were a lot easier when our side had a monopoly on the news." And they think this is a reasonable position.
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I think it's perfectly reasonable for me to believe that Fox is more biased in its reporting than the other networks.

when your pretty much the only network that leans to the right, your going to stick out and be noticed.
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Re: Merged Thread: Romney Drops Out; Can McCain Defeat Democrats?

Fox is most assuredly more supportive of the "old time" values that are favored on the right. I like the perspective though, a majority of the rest of the country's media outlets are owned by former hippies.
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Old 02-11-2008, 09:07 AM   #58
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Re: Merged Thread: Romney Drops Out; Can McCain Defeat Democrats?

Not all Democrats are bad people. Today there is one fewer in the good column, unfortunately. RIP Rep. Lantos.

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Not all Democrats are bad people. Today there is one fewer in the good column, unfortunately. RIP Rep. Lantos.

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huh? what a statement
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huh? what a statement

Is it your position that all Democrats ARE bad people? I was trying to be generous.
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