Baltimore Cop vs kid

EternalEnigma21 · 02-16-2008, 02:09 AM

oh and my basis for calling that statement ignorant is that the people who are arrested have first hand knowledge of the situation. I'd venture that false arrests make up much more than 1% of all arrests and I fail to read any laws saying I cannot "use my mouth" when I'm being forcefully detained without explanation.

I find it peculiar coming from you, a person who believes so strongly in the 2nd amendment, since that amendment was based on the notion that the govt shouldn't be able to completely overpower the population, as that is the first step down a road that leads away from democracy.

CobraKaiDojo · 02-16-2008, 02:09 AM

If your knowingly breaking the law and a police officer gives you a warning to stop. Then comes back later and finds you still doing it. He should have the right to kick the s*** out of your dumbass. You were warned! If the kid had just relinquished his board, the cop wouldn't have had to put his butt in the dirt. That guy puts his life on the line everyday to work in Baltimore City, and for his trouble he gets to be disrespected by punk kids. Shame on their parents for not teaching them better.

EternalEnigma21 · 02-16-2008, 02:19 AM

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Originally Posted by CobraKaiDojo

If your knowingly breaking the law and a police officer gives you a warning to stop. Then comes back later and finds you still doing it. He should have the right to kick the s*** out of your dumbass. You were warned! If the kid had just relinquished his board, the cop wouldn't have had to put his butt in the dirt. That guy puts his life on the line everyday to work in Baltimore City, and for his trouble he gets to be disrespected by punk kids. Shame on their parents for not teaching them better.

sure... remember spiderman... great power/great responsibility, and so on? there's protocol in place for those events. Grabbing the kid and forcing him to the ground is not in that protocol. Physical force was used on a kid (yes a punk, but still a kid) by an adult. Yes an adult. I expect any member of a community to use better judgment and act like a mature individual. If cops go around kicking the shit out of everybody it would have the opposite effect than you would think. It would be total chaos.

If the guy lets some 14 year old kids get to him so that he loses his cool and lets his emotions overtake him, what's he going to do when he has a real criminal in his face? You have to have composure. There's a major psychological aspect to that job and if you lose your composure you lose control, and that's when people get hurt. the guy's a danger and needs to be writing parking tickets, if he can handle that...

djnemo65 · 02-16-2008, 03:53 AM

There is no law that states kids must treat cops with respect. Ideally they do, and I think usually they do, but if they don't or if a police officer doesn't believe that they have the cop still doesn't have a right to exercise any punitive action other than that commensurate with the crime that has been committed. A good cop tries to diffuse a situation. A bad one creates a situation. This here is a very bad cop.

One of my boys from high school is a cop and a damn good one. I know some other cops too who are great people as well. But that doesn't change the fact that there are a lot of scumbags out there dishonoring the badge, or worse, thinking it makes them above the law.

SmootSmack · 02-16-2008, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by canthetuna

sure... remember spiderman... great power/great responsibility, and so on? there's protocol in place for those events. Grabbing the kid and forcing him to the ground is not in that protocol. Physical force was used on a kid (yes a punk, but still a kid) by an adult. Yes an adult. I expect any member of a community to use better judgment and act like a mature individual. If cops go around kicking the shit out of everybody it would have the opposite effect than you would think. It would be total chaos.

If the guy lets some 14 year old kids get to him so that he loses his cool and lets his emotions overtake him, what's he going to do when he has a real criminal in his face? You have to have composure. There's a major psychological aspect to that job and if you lose your composure you lose control, and that's when people get hurt. the guy's a danger and needs to be writing parking tickets, if he can handle that...

Good post. And about the responsiblity falling on the kid's parents, is it the same kid who at the start of the video says he doesn't have a father?

There are plenty of good cops, but this guy isn't one of them. Better said, maybe he is but in this case he certainly didn't act like one. True, we didn't see the whole story but it's hard to believe anything happened that warranted the cop's actions.

jsarno · 02-16-2008, 12:40 PM

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I lean to the right when it comes to crime and punishment and I think most offenses (depending on the situation) should be punished.. Pretty severely. But all I see in this video is a 14 year old kid, being a 14 year old kid. If he was 16 or 17 then I could understand what you're saying but kids are in no way like the kids of the 70s and 80s where they were brought up with respect.

This kid is like a cupcake compared to the kids I had to deal with in high school. Those kids that went to the public school up the street from me.. Inner city kids. It was a scary thing.

I have no doubt it would have escalated to a disgusting level had it been with one of those inner city kids you speak of.

So where has all the respect gone?

jsarno · 02-16-2008, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by canthetuna

oh and my basis for calling that statement ignorant is that the people who are arrested have first hand knowledge of the situation. I'd venture that false arrests make up much more than 1% of all arrests and I fail to read any laws saying I cannot "use my mouth" when I'm being forcefully detained without explanation.

I find it peculiar coming from you, a person who believes so strongly in the 2nd amendment, since that amendment was based on the notion that the govt shouldn't be able to completely overpower the population, as that is the first step down a road that leads away from democracy.

BIG difference between being arrested, and being detained.

jsarno · 02-16-2008, 12:48 PM

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Good post. And about the responsiblity falling on the kid's parents, is it the same kid who at the start of the video says he doesn't have a father?

There are plenty of good cops, but this guy isn't one of them. Better said, maybe he is but in this case he certainly didn't act like one. True, we didn't see the whole story but it's hard to believe anything happened that warranted the cop's actions.

The guy wouldn't be suspended (likely) if he didn't touch the kid. He really made a poor choice there.
We all have days we wish we could take back. This guy could have been a great cop for his whole career, but something happened today...who knows. Grabbing the kid just wasn't wise at all...that's where the situation went bad.
I just hope someone takes that kid (off camera of course) and smacks some sense into him, cause now he thinks he can take on cops with no repercussions. He was just taught he can say and do just about anything to authority and he'll get away with it, and moreover, the authority will "appear" to be in the wrong. That's a horrible lesson.

70Chip · 02-16-2008, 12:51 PM

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That doesn't compare to this story:

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Actually the whole video is kind of relevant, now that I think about it. Dealing with anger is very difficult.

EternalEnigma21 · 02-16-2008, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by jsarno

BIG difference between being arrested, and being detained.

I was arrested in both instances and beat the charges in court without an attorney both times.

SmootSmack · 02-25-2008, 08:09 PM

Officer "Dude" must realllly love being on YouTube

EARTHQUAKE2689 · 02-25-2008, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by canthetuna

I was arrested in both instances and beat the charges in court without an attorney both times.

The guy who accused me of assault in the 9th grade didnt even show up to the court date. I got a day out of school for it

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 02-25-2008, 08:12 PM

That dude should be fired. Anyone with that kind of temper who apparently routinely unlawfully threatens the public that he is charged with "serving" doesn't deserve to wear a uniform. He should have to turn in his badge and be stripped of any benefits etc.

FRPLG · 02-25-2008, 08:29 PM

What a piece of crap. Big man with a badge.

Daseal · 02-25-2008, 08:54 PM

Wow, people are actually defending this douche bag? Are there cool cops, yes. Without a doubt there are some great cops out there, a majority are probably good guys. However, you have to admit that many of the folks in that position use it as a power trip.

Should you respect police officers? Absolutely. However, the cop needs to also respect the suspect. He's a complete dick, and thinks he earned some sort of automatic respect? If you're going to disrespect me, you don't deserve my respect in return. I don't care if who you are.

That kid should have given up his board? For what? The cop harassed the hell out of him, and I wish a citizen would have gone in and set his ass straight. We wonder why kids sit inside all day now? Because of shit like this.

This man is an absolute douche bag, and if I were the parents of the kid I would be looking to press charges to in the very least, get him fired.

02-16-2008, 02:09 AM	#46
EternalEnigma21 Assistant Regional Mod Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Warrenton VA Age: 33 Posts: 2,953	Re: Baltimore Cop vs kid oh and my basis for calling that statement ignorant is that the people who are arrested have first hand knowledge of the situation. I'd venture that false arrests make up much more than 1% of all arrests and I fail to read any laws saying I cannot "use my mouth" when I'm being forcefully detained without explanation. I find it peculiar coming from you, a person who believes so strongly in the 2nd amendment, since that amendment was based on the notion that the govt shouldn't be able to completely overpower the population, as that is the first step down a road that leads away from democracy. __________________ Need electrical work in the Northern VA, or Shenandoah Valley? Click here ...and why do we still have a Tom Tupa avatar???

02-16-2008, 02:09 AM	#47
CobraKaiDojo Camp Scrub Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 9	Re: Baltimore Cop vs kid If your knowingly breaking the law and a police officer gives you a warning to stop. Then comes back later and finds you still doing it. He should have the right to kick the s*** out of your dumbass. You were warned! If the kid had just relinquished his board, the cop wouldn't have had to put his butt in the dirt. That guy puts his life on the line everyday to work in Baltimore City, and for his trouble he gets to be disrespected by punk kids. Shame on their parents for not teaching them better.

02-16-2008, 03:53 AM	#49
djnemo65 Playmaker Join Date: May 2004 Location: MA Age: 32 Posts: 2,836	Re: Baltimore Cop vs kid There is no law that states kids must treat cops with respect. Ideally they do, and I think usually they do, but if they don't or if a police officer doesn't believe that they have the cop still doesn't have a right to exercise any punitive action other than that commensurate with the crime that has been committed. A good cop tries to diffuse a situation. A bad one creates a situation. This here is a very bad cop. One of my boys from high school is a cop and a damn good one. I know some other cops too who are great people as well. But that doesn't change the fact that there are a lot of scumbags out there dishonoring the badge, or worse, thinking it makes them above the law.

02-25-2008, 08:09 PM	#56
SmootSmack The Bluths Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 43,217	Re: Baltimore Cop vs kid Officer "Dude" must realllly love being on YouTube __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

02-25-2008, 08:12 PM	#58
Sheriff Gonna Getcha Franchise Player Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 34 Posts: 8,317	Re: Baltimore Cop vs kid That dude should be fired. Anyone with that kind of temper who apparently routinely unlawfully threatens the public that he is charged with "serving" doesn't deserve to wear a uniform. He should have to turn in his badge and be stripped of any benefits etc.

02-25-2008, 08:29 PM	#59
FRPLG Franchise Player Join Date: May 2004 Age: 34 Posts: 9,292	Re: Baltimore Cop vs kid What a piece of crap. Big man with a badge.

02-25-2008, 08:54 PM	#60
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, Virginia Age: 30 Posts: 8,071	Re: Baltimore Cop vs kid Wow, people are actually defending this douche bag? Are there cool cops, yes. Without a doubt there are some great cops out there, a majority are probably good guys. However, you have to admit that many of the folks in that position use it as a power trip. Should you respect police officers? Absolutely. However, the cop needs to also respect the suspect. He's a complete dick, and thinks he earned some sort of automatic respect? If you're going to disrespect me, you don't deserve my respect in return. I don't care if who you are. That kid should have given up his board? For what? The cop harassed the hell out of him, and I wish a citizen would have gone in and set his ass straight. We wonder why kids sit inside all day now? Because of shit like this. This man is an absolute douche bag, and if I were the parents of the kid I would be looking to press charges to in the very least, get him fired. __________________ Best. Player. Available.

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