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Old 02-23-2008, 10:19 PM   #1
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Let's start with McCain, it has been a nasty week for him. The allegations of tight coupling with lobbyist and the implication of an extramarital affair can't be good for his long term prospect. I learned quit a bit about him this week, I certainly wasn't aware that his past included some crookedness. Finally, it doesn't help to be dishonest during your denial speech. Makes you wonder if Huckabee still has a chance?

I always hear people say Obama gives nice speeches but lacks substance. Well someone at the evil, socialists, America hating "The Daily Kos" did a little digging and what they found was a bit surprising to me. At this point I'm really wondering if Obama is the real deal or if he is going to turn out to be a YAW (yet another weasel). Finally, I wonder how many people were disturbed by Michelle Obama's recent comments? Perhaps it's time to fire her ass?

It's not looking good for Hillary and it makes you wonder how it's possible to go from "top choice" to "eh, maybe?" Since delegates are apportioned she'll need to win big. Can she win both Ohio and Texas? Is she really going to try and get the delegates from Michigan and Florida seated?
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ABH!ABH!ABH!ABH!ABH!ABH!ABH!(Anybody but Hillary)
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I was surprised that Obama won Wisconsin by a landslide, I thought it would've been much closer. Unfortunately, I get the sinking feeling that Clinton will win Ohio and Texas. Not by a huge margin, but a wins a win.
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This is all for not anyway...it will be McCain vs Obama. Hillary is done.
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Well someone at the evil, socialists, America hating "The Daily Kos" did a little digging and what they found was a bit surprising to me. At this point I'm really wondering if Obama is the real deal or if he is going to turn out to be a YAW (yet another weasel). Finally, I wonder how many people were disturbed by Michelle Obama's recent comments? Perhaps it's time to fire her ass?
I read the article and the one attacking his patriotism can be thrown out the window. Mud slinging, and not very good mud slinging. His problem is he already admitted to smoking pot and doing coke on more than one occasion when he was younger, among other things... so no one can really dig up any dirt on him. Smart move. He's a smart guy. Id like to give a smart guy a shot at running this damn country for once, instead of some idiot patriotic cheerleader.

Its funny because on the moral issues Im pretty conservative. I pretty much walk down the "right" line with my views of abortion, gun control, etc... and I do recognize that not all of the economic problems are to be put at the feet of GW. NAFTA and laxed tarrifs on goods from countries with low low labor rates that were imposed under clinton have a lot to do with the direction of this countries economy.

Remember when Wal Mart in the early nineties had a campaign about buying American whenever they could, so you could too? Now it's all about being the cheapest. I don't shop there anymore. I refuse. I obviously don't always buy american, but I do try to support our economy with my money as much as I can. Until something is done about higher tarrifs on imported goods from low labor rate countries, and things done about immigrants taking their earnings and sending them out of the country at an alarming rate, on top of jobs being shipped out of the states to cut labor rates by 80% or more, we're pretty much doomed.

Obama is the only one who I've seen really address the problems. I like him.
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This is all for not anyway...it will be McCain vs Obama. Hillary is done.
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N.A.F.T.A is the single worse piece of legislature ever signed into law. i wonder if any of the candidates will address this issue. i started out thinking Hillary would be the one, all the way to the white house. now, i think it will be Obama. McCain is obviously the strongest republican, but how much is that really saying? we are entering a recession, and McCain will down right tell you he doesn't know anything about the economics of our country. i don't know about you guys, but i don't want anyone in the white house that doesnt know how to do probably 1/3 of his job
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the funny thing is, at least to me, if you went strictly on qualifications, it would probably be Clinton
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N.A.F.T.A is the single worse piece of legislature ever signed into law. i wonder if any of the candidates will address this issue. i started out thinking Hillary would be the one, all the way to the white house. now, i think it will be Obama. McCain is obviously the strongest republican, but how much is that really saying? we are entering a recession, and McCain will down right tell you he doesn't know anything about the economics of our country. i don't know about you guys, but i don't want anyone in the white house that doesnt know how to do probably 1/3 of his job

ive only watched 2 of the debates. the last one in tx on cnn and clips of another on youtube. obama does mention nafta as being a huge factor in our failing economy.
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I for one am one of those so-called "right wing nut jobs". Also, like McCain I am a veteran so I feel closest to him. But, he tends to be too moderate about things like immigration and other domestic policies. With that said, I feel he is the better choice of all of the others running. What I see the Dems putting out there is quite disturbing to me. It seems that they all want an entitlement-state that oppresses capitalism, and comes too close to socialism. I'm not down with that at all.
A funny but sad thing I experienced this past fall while on a field trip to our nations capital with my daughters' 5th grade class this past year. I couldn't help but notice all of the different languages that were heard that day. I really took the time to scan the numerous people there, and I would say that about 65% of those diverse people were foreigners. These people actually made our nations capital a vacation destination, and wanted to know about our short but rich history. These people have more of an appreciation for our country than us regular citizens. It truly is a shame that some people like to name-call and trash our leaders just because they feel like they can. I have been to several foreign coutries in my 38 years of living, and this country by far and away has all the others beat.
JFK once said, "ask not, what your country can do for you, but what can you do for your country". Wow, I'm no fan of his but that was some powerful and unselfish thing to say back then. While others are sitting back waiting for Clinton or Obama to get into the White House waiting for their checks to come into the mail disgust me. I say if this country is so bad then why is it that so many foreigners come here to start their lives over? The answer is pretty obvious to me. And ask this, how many other countries are as diverse as ours? That is another obvious one; NONE.
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so Clinton and Obama are the only candidates that will owe " favors" once they enter the white house? then why are 6 of John McCain's main campaign advisers former lobbyists? but i definitely here what you are saying about the United States being the best country in the world, hands down
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What politician isn't beholden to special interests? My opinion of those are based on what those special interests are.
Clinton and Obama will say anything to get people to vote for them. And that "anything" is usually in the form of some kind of entitlement that will be paid for by us taxpayers. Both of them say that they will pull our troops out of Iraq before that country is able to stand on it's two feet. And while that may get some rave reviews by some people who do not care about what our troops sacrificed for. That to me is moronic. I love peace like the next guy, but this war on terror is one we did not start. I know it's cliche' to say but, for those who fought for it, freedom has a flavor the protected will never know. Except for ending slavery, fascism, nazism and communism war has never solved anything.
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the funny thing is, at least to me, if you went strictly on qualifications, it would probably be Clinton
I certainly don't agree but I'd love to hear your argument. I am not particularly impressed with any of them.
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What politician isn't beholden to special interests? My opinion of those are based on what those special interests are.
Clinton and Obama will say anything to get people to vote for them. And that "anything" is usually in the form of some kind of entitlement that will be paid for by us taxpayers. Both of them say that they will pull our troops out of Iraq before that country is able to stand on it's two feet. And while that may get some rave reviews by some people who do not care about what our troops sacrificed for. That to me is moronic. I love peace like the next guy, but this war on terror is one we did not start. I know it's cliche' to say but, for those who fought for it, freedom has a flavor the protected will never know. Except for ending slavery, fascism, nazism and communism war has never solved anything.

I agree with a war on terror, but that isn't the war that's being fought in Iraq. I have several family members in Iraq as we speak. I also have several friends there, and all of them I've spoken to feel the same way about the war we're fighting. It's senseless.

I actually do believe that violence can be a resolution, but a last resort. I wish it weren't so, but as you said it can be. George Bush addressing the UN telling them "you're either with us or with the terrorists" made my stomach churn. It wasn't true and frankly we've had a moron running this country for eight years, who took over for another moron. It really speaks to the state of the citizenship that we elected this guy twice. It shouldn't have been close enough to steal.

Partisan politics were based on the theory that through argument you should get the best ideas implemented. Its time to get a new point of view in the white house. I think the smartest guy, and the most honorable guy is obama. I didn't really want it to be, because I wanted a Republican to be that guy. They really need a face lift, though.

Our country is great, but we are undeniably moving in the wrong direction. If we continue on this path we will not be a great country very long. Our military is spread too thin. It started when Clinton cut so many military jobs and they started outsourcing so much of their construction and maintenance operations to contractors. That, coupled with the war in Iraq that still wages with no plan, has weakened our military and cost us trillions of dollars, and thousands of lives.

Our economy has had band-aid solutions put on for so long they're bled through. This country was the most profitable when we were more self reliant. During the industrial age, we manufactured our goods here, at home. The middle class flourished and more and more people were able to live above the poverty line in our country. Appeasing large corporations to cut costs has cost America deeply. Tax breaks for businesses outsourcing jobs? Who the hell does that help? Eventually there will be no one left to use any of the products these companies offer, and they will die off too. We need someone with the balls to stand up and put a stop to the destruction of the middle class in the US. To ensure that the people who are fortunate enough to have jobs in this country, don't send their wages to be spent in countries with floundering economies. We need a candidate who is truly inspired to make a difference, and not just sit up and blow smoke up our asses, and play all of the political BS games that these guys play.

To me, obama is the only candidate I've seen in years that gives me hope that a guy may just be sincere. He may be smart enough and determined enough to actually change this country for the better. FDR type of change. He may not, but he's the only one I see with even that type potential.
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Old 02-25-2008, 06:58 AM   #15
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good post canthetuna. your economic points are dead on. the same with the oil companies getting those same tax breaks for research and development. what a joke. these guys are setting records every quarter for profit. if Mr. Bush has accomplished anything, the middle class is coming closer and closer to becoming extinct
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